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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%
  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%
  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%

  • Total voters
    75
Confirmed coronavirus cases in South Africa

    • 11 April 2020


In Kenya, health workers have been testing people who have been put in quarantine
 
That's mere conjecture based on Sinophobia. The majority of new cases are returning nationals.


Sinophobia - Anti-Chinese sentiment or Sinophobia (from Late Latin Sinae "China" and Greek φόβος, phobos, "fear") is a sentiment against China, its people, overseas Chinese, or Chinese culture.[4] It often targets Chinese minorities living outside of China and involves immigration, development of national identity in neighbouring countries, disparity of wealth, the past central tributary system, majority-minority relations, imperialist legacies, and racism.[5][6][7] Its opposite is Sinophilia.

Calling a spade a spade, isn't Sinophobic.

Uyghurs (Muslim) prison camps in China
Any company that sets up shop in China - Intellectual Property (IP) is stolen
Woeful human rights
Numerous environmental issues
SARS, Swine Flu, Bird Flu, SARS-Cov2
 
Calling a spade a spade, isn't Sinophobic.
?
Misusing language is not helpful.
You have confused how the people of a nation are perceived rather than the perpetrators of the cause.
However, in this case there continues to be a stream of poorly informed posts related to very different issues from those you nominate. Even for example well demonstrated by you not knowing that Swine Flu became a pandemic due to woeful US prevention strategies: China was not in the picture.
 

"Spanish Flu" is still ok is it ?
 
"Spanish Flu" is still ok is it ?
There were no conventions for naming pandemics back then, so the name stuck.
If you asked someone where H1N1 originated you would probably get the wrong answer. I asked 3 people before posting - they weren't sure.
Then I asked them if they knew where the swine flu originated, and they quickly said "China" instead of Mexico.
 
Note that Australia's chief medical officer has stated there may never be a vaccine for the Corona virus!

Just think about that for a moment!
From what I have read, it has a HIV component and as far as I know there is no vaccine for that.
What if it stays latent in your system, untill your immune system is comprised, then the pneumonia presents?
That IMO would explain some of the panic, by the authorities.
Just my thoughts.
 
Beijing tried to make German officials praise China over coronavirus outbreak – report


Chinese representatives tried to influence German government officials to give positive comments about Beijing’s management of the coronavirus outbreak, Germany’s Die Welt newspaper reported Sunday.

The virus first emerged in the Chinese city of Wuhan in December and Beijing has been criticised by some — most notably US President Donald Trump — over its initial handling of the crisis.

Senior officials and staff at German government ministries were invited “to speak in positive terms about China’s management of the coronavirus,” Die Welt said, citing a confidential foreign ministry document.

Trump and his administration had made a point of referring to COVID-19 as the “Chinese virus” or the “Wuhan virus”, infuriating Beijing.

The US president has also cast doubt on the accuracy of official Chinese virus figures and accused the World Health Organization of pro-China bias.​


 
Like booting China out of the NBN. Good!


UK spy agencies urge China rethink once Covid-19 crisis is over
MI6 and MI5 expect Beijing to be more assertive and want government to consider tighter control of strategic industries

Britain’s intelligence community believes the UK needs to reassess its relationship with China after the coronavirus crisis subsides and consider if tighter controls are needed over high-tech and other strategic industries.

They reckon China will become more assertive in defending its one-party model as having successfully tackled the pandemic and that Boris Johnson and other ministers will have to take a “realistic view” and consider how the UK responds.

Issues being aired are whether the UK wants to restrict takeovers of key companies in high-tech areas such as digital communications and artificial intelligence, and whether it should reduce Chinese students’ access to research at universities and elsewhere.

But MI6, the foreign intelligence service, and MI5, its domestic equivalent, still believe it was correct to allow Huawei access to Britain’s 5G network, capped at 35% – a decision made by Johnson in January – although the new emphasis on China may make that decision increasingly hard to defend as Conservative rebels press for a rethink.

A Whitehall source said the UK needs to ensure diversity of supply “in 6G and 7G” and, more broadly, to protect “the crown jewels” of technology, research and innovation.

MI6 is also understood to have told ministers that China was significantly under-reporting the number of coronavirus cases and deaths in January and February, echoing similar briefings given by the CIA to the White House.

Intelligence agencies have been urging a greater emphasis on Chinese activity for months, and the announcement of Ken McCallum as the new director general of MI5 at the end of last month was accompanied by a promise that the organisation would focus more clearly on Beijing.​

 
Coronavirus: Critics ask why China allowed flights
out of Hubei during outbreak

Now, critics have also suggested that China is partly to blame for the virus spreading globally because it continued to allow flights to Hubei for its own interests – while taking greater action to stop the spread within China.

Addressing China’s President Xi Jinping directly, historian Niall Ferguson wrote in an op-ed: “... after it became clear that there was a full-blown epidemic spreading from Wuhan to the rest of Hubei province, why did you cut off travel from Hubei to the rest of China – on January 23 – but not from Hubei to the rest of the world?”

Ferguson’s accusations refer to China continuing to allow international travel long past January 23, the date when it imposed serious restrictions on travel within China in an attempt to quarantine Wuhan from the rest of the country.

Behind the US, China is the world’s second-largest air travel market.

By early February, airlines around the world had cut flights to China, setting off economic shocks in the industry and stranding travelers. Infections climbed past 17,000 in over 20 countries by February 3.

Throughout January and February, China imposed lockdowns on its cities as the virus spread internally, but continued to allow international travel abroad.​

 
Beijing tightens grip over coronavirus research, amid
US-China row on virus origin

Hong Kong (CNN) China has imposed restrictions on the publication of academic research on the origins of the novel coronavirus, according to a central government directive and online notices published by two Chinese universities, that have since been removed from the web.

Under the new policy, all academic papers on Covid-19 will be subject to extra vetting before being submitted for publication. Studies on the origin of the virus will receive extra scrutiny and must be approved by central government officials, according to the now-deleted posts.

A medical expert in Hong Kong who collaborated with mainland researchers to publish a clinical analysis of Covid-19 cases in an international medical journal said his work did not undergo such vetting in February.

The increased scrutiny appears to be the latest effort by the Chinese government to control the narrative on the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, which has claimed more than 100,000 lives and sickened 1.7 million people worldwide since it first broke out in the Chinese city of Wuhan in December.

Since late January, Chinese researchers have published a series of Covid-19 studies in influential international medical journals. Some findings about early coronavirus cases -- such as when human-to-human transition first appeared -- have raised questions over the official government account of the outbreak and sparked controversy on Chinese social media.

And now, Chinese authorities appear to be tightening their grip on the publication of Covid-19 research.

A Chinese researcher who spoke on condition of anonymity due to fear of retaliation said the move was a worrying development that would likely obstruct important scientific research.

"I think it is a coordinated effort from (the) Chinese government to control (the) narrative, and paint it as if the outbreak did not originate in China," the researcher told CNN. "And I don't think they will really tolerate any objective study to investigate the origination of this disease."

CNN has reached out to China's Foreign Ministry for comment.​


China recorded deaths ~ 3200

Italy - almost 20,000
Spain - 17,209
France - 14,393
UK - 10,612

China - 3200

Yeah right.
 
As China’s imported cases rise, so does xenophobia
China’s health ministry on Sunday reported a jump in new coronavirus infections, most of which were detected in people returning from other countries.

The country recorded 162 new cases for Saturday, including 63 cases of people who have no symptoms. More than 100 of the new cases were imported — something Beijing has focused on as a threat to its containment efforts since it got domestic cases under control.

International flights are still drastically limited and nearly all foreigners barred from entering. But the country is also seeing growing displays of xenophobia.

African officials, citing “inhuman treatment being meted out” to their citizens abroad, are calling for Beijing to take action.

Details: African traders and students say they have faced racial widespread discrimination, including being evicted from apartments and forced to sleep on the streets, after five Nigerians who frequented a Guangzhou restaurant tested positive for the coronavirus.

Guangzhou authorities are said to have targeted Africans for mandatory testing and quarantine, regardless of travel history.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/...te=1&user_id=b29bbb2d833f3345588186dd5529dd6f
 
Of course Australia acted promptly to counter early Sinophobia that led to local Chinese been mistreated and their businesses shunned.
And our Border Force acted with great compassion to demand cruise ships immediately leave territorial waters and bad luck if sick crew died on the return journey.
Maybe you should ask many local Muslims how they feel about their ongoing treatment in Australia?
 
When I realised that there was some missing punctuation above to gracefully separate "Ghana" from the ambassador's name, I figured the same could be applied to the summoned Shiting Wang.
 
China wanted it named Mexican flu.
We also have african swine fever which is recent.
Middle East respiratory syndrome, recent.

Do you know China singled out Mexicans during the swine flu. Treated them a lot worse then Chinese are being treated now.

https://supchina.com/2020/02/07/mex...xtraordinary-hypocrisy-of-xinhua-news-agency/


http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1895659,00.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/world/asia/05china.html

Then we have the resident shill saying China should be believed on their figures. Despite history showing otherwise.

https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2016/03/26/fudge-ocracy

https://www.asianscientist.com/2020/03/features/smu-rast-gdp-fudge-china/

https://fortune.com/2015/12/14/china-fake-economic-data/


Then we have the virus:

https://www.barrons.com/articles/ch...ns-its-coronavirus-numbers-do-too-51581622840



And these are the sites that were not really digging into the b.s. that the CCP puts out.

And on the b.s. the CCP is spreading:

https://fortune.com/2020/03/30/china-coronavirus-propaganda-has-shifted-dramatically/


https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/3...-what-sticks-propaganda-blame-ccp-xi-jinping/


CHINA IS REWRITING CORONAVIRUS HISTORY AND NOBODY WILL STOP IT

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/publi...g-coronavirus-history-and-nobody-will-stop-it



This site is on current crackdowns or b.s. from CCP.
https://freedomhouse.org/report/chi...ulletin-coronavirus-era-repression-propaganda
 

What’s your point? Xenophobia happens everywhere, but when it is in China we should not mention it?
 
read some news the COVID19 is actually attacking TCells a la HIV, not a good news and wondering how healed people are
Now, let's be prosaic: in absence of vaccine: a pipe dream and if it stays latent in the body maybe hiding into the lymphatic systems as other viruses do, we might just have added another sickness to our long list and may see reduced life expectancy when weakened etc;
It can not be eradicated now, i think we can agree on this ,so the key is : can we heal and build immunity, this is the long term game..the current drama in a way is a temporary state in a more scary long term view;
 
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