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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Myth-busting the coronavirus
Coronavirus 5 hours ago
As the outbreak of COVID-19 continues and countries and communities go to extreme lengths to mitigate its spread, it's important to distinguish fact from fiction. Here, some common misconceptions are addressed to give you valuable information on the virus.
 
Just I little levity:

https://babylonbee.com/news/americans-sigh-in-relief-as-news-finally-not-all-about-trump
U.S.- The long national nightmare of every single day being dominated by news about Donald Trump has finally come to an end, as the top news story for the past week has been about a pandemic threatening lives and the economy.
“This is such a nice change of pace,” said Dwayne Hughes, an electrician..
..The news coverage of the coronavirus has taken a turn for the worse, though, as constant news reports of Trump’s reaction to coronavirus have begun to spread and could infect all news coverage by the end of the week.
 
Going to get a lot worse, once into Africa and South America, then it will be unstoppable.
 
I think it is time to face the facts that this not something that we can stop anytime soon.

Today I went out to lunch, the restaurant has removed half of its tables so that there is space between each one. In a place that seats 500 there was 10 people instead of the usual 100 for lunch.

This is a medium size club with a number of lounges, bars, games room and restaurants, the new limit of 100 people (including staff) is poorly thought out.

A small club with one main room and 100 people is a lot more risky than a large club with 50 in 4 different rooms,

The ban should be something like, you may have 40% of your pax limit in each separated area of the club/pub

It is pointless sending Australia bankrupt, we should be isolating all people who are aged, chronically ill or in a weakened state of health.

The rest should be allowed to go to work and earn a living, research has shown that many people have no spare cash, living from week to week.

SMEs are the largest employers and most of those cannot possibly afford to pay people with no production or cash flow.

In an effort to flatten the bell curve of infection we suspend things for one month then allow "normal" life to resume.

We can do it soon or we can do it in 3 months after everyone is broke, same result, we eventually get herd immunity like for the flu.
 
u guys certain meth spirits is okay for sanitizing your hands? some places online think it's bad (dangerous to health), others good. the sanitizer i got only has ethanol in it

and these sanitizer concoctions... i couldn't be bothered with making a gel. i just want to put water and the disinfectant together. no time for extra stuff now. let me know what you think.

advice please...
 
From WHO


https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&...FjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3LqdHVbwiOnhqDfFXgi174
 
The more I look at the data the more convinced I am to back the effect of seasonality.

I don't believe there has ever been more flu deaths in the U.S and Europe between April-September than the following October-March.

In their ordinary flu season (October-March) there is up to a hundreds times multiplier so it's not close.

Then the virus epidemics in 1918, 1957, 1968 all peaked in October-December while 2009 was approaching a new peak in October to only be stopped by a vaccine.

So Coronavirus would have to do something never done before: cause more flu deaths out of flu season than in flu season (without vaccine intervention).

Yet that seems to be the consensus guidence and narrative at the moment.
 
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grah33 said:
u guys certain meth spirits is okay for sanitizing your hands? some places online think it's bad (dangerous to health), others good. the sanitizer i got only has ethanol in it
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Methylated spirits is greater than 95% ethanol, a tiny amount of Bitrex or other bittering agent and the rest is water.

Only reason for the water is that ethanol naturally absorbs a set % of water from the air and dilutes itself to 95%.

To make 100% pure can be done but is costly and it won’t stay at 100% unless kept away from air. 95% is thus far more practical, cheaper and good enough.

All alcohol is of course not good for you but it’s less bad than spreading a virus.

Best option where available though is always soap and water - warm water if possible.
 
grah33 said:
who can be bothered learning about chemistry , and asking the Coles people for hydrogen peroxide.

could do with something really simple. but i dk about the meth spirits, even if that says ethanol 96%. not feeling confident using it
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You can buy hydrogen peroxide out of most chemists. Can use it as a mouthwash at 3% from memory.

Just get rubbing alcohol and use that.
 
moXJO said:
You can buy hydrogen peroxide out of most chemists. Can use it as a mouthwash at 3% from memory.

Just get rubbing alcohol and use that.
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rubbing alcohol as in isocol (which is isopropy alcohol). it's getting expensive online though.

might leave the meth spirits for times when i really need sanitizer
 
grah33 said:
rubbing alcohol as in isocol (which is isopropy alcohol). it's getting expensive online though.

might leave the meth spirits for times when i really need sanitizer
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Ordinary soap is most effective against viruses, more so than alcohol. Apparently because virus construct themselves using lipids. Soap destroys that structure. (I posted a link to the science somewhere but I can't remember where)
 
wayneL said:
Ordinary soap is most effective against viruses, more so than alcohol. Apparently because virus construct themselves using lipids. Soap destroys that structure. (I posted a link to the science somewhere but I can't remember where)
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Your quite right about soap and water being the most effective against the virus. The point about a good sanitiser is that it can be easily used at stores, shops, into /out of a hospital where its impractical to wash up.
It is easy to make up with alcohol and some glycerine to relieve the drying effects of the alcohol.
 
wayneL said:
Ordinary soap is most effective against viruses, more so than alcohol. Apparently because virus construct themselves using lipids. Soap destroys that structure. (I posted a link to the science somewhere but I can't remember where)
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I prefer using soap as well. Thing is, we need sanitizer for when we're out and about, and even at home too from time to time (it's helpful). It's like portable soap.
 
TV guy reckons we get it from touching things. we shouldn't be touching things if you don't have to. i'm trying to use the INSIDE of my shirt to e.g.turn off lights, open door knobs etc ...
 
grah33 said:
TV guy reckons we get it from touching things. we shouldn't be touching things if you don't have to. i'm trying to use the INSIDE of my shirt to e.g.turn off lights, open door knobs etc ...
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I've been doing that for years, since I started going to pubs.
 
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