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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Idaho - not the place to be right now.


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I don't understand why those who still want lockdowns, restricted access etc, let their own lives rule the level of access.
If you are not happy with what the general population has determined is the level of vaccination they are willing to tolerate, have your own personal lockdown.
Don't go out of your house. Don't go to sporting events or cultural activities, don't go to the beach, don't go to funerals or church services.
But if the people who provide the services are willing to open, let them open , let the people attend who want to do so.
Its now widely accepted that we will not be able to eliminate the virus (at least not in the short to medium term).
As i have said, the ones most often calling for continued lockdowns and restrictions are mostly those who are least affected by it.
They have not lost jobs, businesses or their savings.
Let them live like hermits and let the rest of us get on with whats left of our lives.
approaching 70, I am in one of the groups who would be most susceptible to death from the virus, but that applies to most of the diseases, activities, lifestyles etc that are applicable.
I am doomed to die of something, but I sure as hell want to make the most of the life have left.
I accept risk levels daily- I mean I still drive, i still fly planes, I drink beer and wine, eat cheese, have full cream milk amd probabluy do a heap of other things that have a level of risk.
I accepted the risk that I could have had adverse effects from a hastily developed virus.
There are those who won't accept those risks.
Thats fine, thats their choice.
But don't impose your risk profile on me.
And that is what the likes of the medical professionals , the politicians, political commentators and god knows who else want to impose on everyone.
Mick
 
Yep, absolutely. Of course activities such as drinking, etc while having a level of risk are not transmissible to other people. Unlike the virus.

So when out and about as you wish I am sure you will not cause another person to become infected. You don't have that right.
 
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If the people who are scared of the virus are out and about they have accepted that risk.
They can impose their own private lockdown should they wish.
What I don't want is THEM saying i can't go out coz I might infect them.
If they are scared of my double dosed vaxed person infecting them let them stay indoors.
If they are scared of people who are NOT vaxed, once again let them have their own personal lockdown, that is their choice.
If I am willing to risk being infected by someone, whether they have been vaxed or not, that is my personal choice.
The argument that everyone should lock down is totally illogical.

Mick
 
You completely missed my point. However, I expected that would be the case.

And by the way I'm not a fan of lockdowns either.
 
Belli said:
You completely missed my point. However, I expected that would be the case.

And by the way I'm not a fan of lockdowns either.
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So what was your point?
You said
So when out and about as you wish I am sure you will not cause another person to become infected. You don't have that right.
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To what were you referring when you said I don't have that right?
The right to what?
Infect someone?
Not Infect someone?
Your are the one missing the point.
People do not need to worry about whether they may be infected by me or anyone else if they have their own personal lockdown.
The rest of us can get on with our lives unimpeded by the doogooders.
Mick
 
Add to that, those that are at severe risk or have a heightened fear of contracting the virus, can buy better respirators, that give them improved protection, for the occasions they wish to venture out.
Eventually there has to be a modicum of common sense applied, this can't go on for the rest of our lives.
Obviously, as has been shown overseas people who are fully vaccinated still get the virus.

Aussie Olympic champ hospitalised with COVID-19

Fully-vaccinated gold medallist's 'huge wake up call'
wwos.nine.com.au

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1/ there are many activitiesthat both carry a level of risk for oneself but also for other people. Driving on the roads is one such example. Letting other people who maybe asthmatics, inhale cigarette smoke is another. And I'm sure there are others if I put my thinking cap on.

2/ I had a fair dinkum bout of influenza in 2017. I felt so rotten I was praying for someone to break in and shoot me in the back of the head.

So what gave that person the right to infect me? Why wasn't the world locked down back then? Why weren't we all forced to wear and non-biodegradable face nappy in any previous influenza pandemic? why weren't be forced to have a vaccine passport? Why won't our politicians invoking medical apartheid and treating unvaccinated people as second class citizens?

WHY NOW?
 

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.
www.webmd.com

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FRIDAY, Dec. 18, 2020 (HealthDay News) -- COVID-19 is far more harmful and deadly than the seasonal flu, new studies confirm.


Researchers analyzed U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs data on more than 3,600 patients hospitalized with COVID-19 between Feb. 1 and June 17 of this year, and more than 12,600 hospitalized with the flu between Jan. 1, 2017 and Dec. 31, 2019. The average age of patients in both groups was 69.


The death rate among COVID-19 patients was 18.5%, while it was 5.3% for those with the flu. Those with COVID were nearly five times more likely to die than flu patients, according to the study published online Dec. 15 in the BMJ.





COVID-19 patients with the highest risk of death included those aged 75 and older who also had chronic kidney disease or dementia, and Blacks who were obese, or who had diabetes or kidney disease.


The study also found that COVID-19 patients were four times more likely to require breathing machines, nearly 2.5 times more likely to be admitted to intensive care, and stayed in the hospital an average of three days longer than flu patients."

More in the article.
 
I've been following this incident over the weekend and haven't really been able to verify who the woman was or what her injuries work.

Nevertheless, that was a pretty despicable act from Victorian Stasi.

Whoever she was she was presenting no threat to anyone and if the shove wasn't enough, spraying an injured person with capsicum spray when they're down and presenting no threat is both illegal and disgusting.

They also capsicum sprayed many members of the mainstream media, giving at least a few of them a wake up moment.

If anyone thinks any of this is going to end well in any way, they are dreaming.

We plebeians just need to decide who this is not going to end well for.
 
Oh please.

That article is bulshit of the highest order, Horace.

There is an information war here and one must not be on the side of the Goebbel-esque.
 
SirRumpole said:
If you want to argue the facts wayne, please do so.
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It is saying Covid death rate is 18% +
SirRumpole said:
If you want to argue the facts wayne, please do so.
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Read it bro.

The article uses several statistical disingenuities.

Firstly the data was only from department of veterans affairs.

Secondly we know that COVID is very age-stratified. It is far more deadly for elderly people, but influenza is more deadly for younger people than covid.

Thirdly there are lots of things more deadly than COVID, cardiovascular disease and cancer just a couple of examples.

The article represents that the death rate of covid is 18.5% or there abouts. Hence putting out a narrative (again disingenuously) that covid in the general population is far more deadly than it actually is.

This is bollox

Thirdly, if we look at the overall death rate for 100000, for just about every country you want to mention, it has belly moved on a year to year basis even with the reported pandemic.

As it population, we are not dying off from COVID or for any other reason.

In fact even with the purported covid pandemic, the world population continues to increase..

This is simply not justifying the fear campaign it's probably get hit by the mainstream media and the likes of web.md.

Wanna p!ss your pants over something find something worthwhile like.... Umm, a really deadly virus, or perhaps even an imminent conflict in the South China sea.

Despite the propaganda of fear, countries like Sweden continue to live the way and will continue to do so for a long time in the future.

Yes covid is an unpleasant virus, nobody wants to get the damn thing, but I get more and more convinced that the government response, especially in Australia is about 100 times overblownand will result in much more deleterious consequences than the virus itself.
 
Things are getting even nastier in Victoria.
A chaotic brawl erupted on Monday after hundreds of people descended on union headquarters to protest mandatory vaccinations for construction workers.

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au
From the article:
The angry workers yelled obscenities at union officials before wrestling, throwing projectiles and smashing the CFMEU’s front door.

Some workers screamed at Mr Sekta before he retreated inside.
“People are allowed to express their opinions and you’ve got to take it on the chin sometimes, people get emotional, I understand that,” Mr Setka said.

“But when you go out of your way to address people and they just talk over you, yelling and screaming and throw projectiles and injure people and smash property, it’s just absolutely unacceptable.

“It wasn’t our decision (to mandate vaccinations), we didn’t do it, we didn’t bring this pandemic in, all we’ve tried to do is keep everyone working.”
 
Just another example of the brass of the labor movement forsaking it's core constituency.

(And don't worry, the Illiberals are doing the same)
 
Funny as all hell that Setka said this, when he did the exact same thing to others in the past.

But I must admit that I never never thought I would see the day:


The narrative has been lost because too many elitist and media dismissed the concerns of people towards the vaccine.

There has also been a lot of disinformation being targeted at Muslim tradies. One of my mates ate the full package. It's also spreading amongst other ethnic groups.

 
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That's what happens, when the workers know they've been sold out, I saw it quite a few times over my working career.
There was a motion carried at W.A's biggest power station, where two top union officials, weren't to be allowed on site again. ? One became a Federal Minister, the other a City councillor.

Sounds like Daniel Andrews is going to teach the protestors a lesson and shut down Melbourne construction.
You really couldn't make this $hit up, what a comedy.

Construction industry to be shut down for two weeks after clashes at CFMEU

The Andrews government will announce the closure of the building industry after a day of violent protests outside the Victorian headquarters of the CFMEU.
www.theage.com.au
 
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