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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%
  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%
  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%

  • Total voters
    75
The fines don't seem to affect woolies.
From Todays OZ

Seems a bit odd that a grocery company can make a decision about a medical test, but a GP cannot.
Mick
 
There has a been a bit of controversy in the US after Texas effectively outlawed abortions beyond six weeks.
From ABC News
In the accompanying photograph there is a phalanx of women with the various slogans about a woman's body is her own, hands off our bodies etc etc.
Thats all very well, but what are they gunna do when a woman comes up with the same argument for being against compulsory vaccination?
Should be an interesting conundrum.
Mick
 
Just recently, there some posters who criticised the feds and alternatively praised the QLD premier over the building of a Quarantine facility at Welcamp airport.
They were also quite critical about some ASF members who were a tad sceptical about the proposal.
Despite their protestations, it seems some of the airlines are a tad sceptical about the Wellcamp proposal as well.

From Todays OZ
Mick
 
Carig kelly has been threatened with court action over 'misleading " texts.
Mind Your health
Kelly's response was to say "bring it on".
He is suggesting that the authorities will not prosecute because they would be under oath themselves and not allowed to be a bit liberal the truth, plus the process of issuing subpoenas for documents may turf in a few things that they don't want made public.
Time will tell whether he is correct.
Mick
 
I have just ordered a bulk supply popcorn and beer for that stoush.

And forwhat it's worth, whether Craig is right or wrong he's acting totally in good faith imo, so I hope he is on the money with this
 

Denmark lifts all Covid restrictions as vaccinations top 80%

Scandinavian country declares it no longer considers coronavirus a ‘socially critical’ disease
Denmark’s high vaccination rate has enabled it to become one of the first EU countries to lift all domestic restrictions, after 548 days with curbs in place to limit the spread of Covid-19,
The return to normality has been gradual, but as of Friday, the digital pass – a proof of having been vaccinated – is no longer required when entering nightclubs, making it the last virus safeguard to fall.

More than 80% of people above the age of 12 in the Scandinavian country have had the two shots, leading the Danish government to declare as of midnight it no longer considers Covid-19 a “socially critical” disease.

“I wouldn’t say it is too early. We have opened the door but we have also said that we can close it if needed,” Søren Riis Paludan, a professor of virology at Aarhus University in Denmark’s second largest city, said.

The tipping point in Denmark to start easing restrictions came when a majority in the 50+ age group had both shots, Riis Paludan said.

Since 14 August, mask-wearing on public transport has no longer been mandatory. On 1 September, nightclubs reopened, limits on public gatherings were removed and it was no longer mandatory to show the pass to sit inside restaurants, go to sports matches, gyms or the hairdresser.
However, the wearing of face coverings is still mandatory at airports and people are advised to wear one when at the doctor, test centres or hospitals. Distancing is still recommended and strict entry restrictions still apply for non-Danes at the borders. The outbreak is still considered “an ordinary dangerous illness”.
The Danish health minister, Magnus Heunicke, said in August that “the epidemic is under control”, but warned “we are not out of the epidemic” and the government would act as needed.










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Australia's vaccine hesitancy is becoming a thing of the past especially in NSW, fear is a strong motivator, I guess it's the fear of never being able to leave your house. ?


 
Now we have the media cranking up the doom and gloom.
From the article:
Modelling by a new scientific lobby group projects that NSW’s road map to reopening may lead to all the state’s intensive care unit beds being full for five weeks over Christmas and almost 1000 people dying from COVID-19.

The modelling is the first release from OzSAGE, a group of high-profile scientists who have come together to call for Australia to change course on reopening.
OzSAGE’s membership includes some of Australia’s best-known scientists including leading epidemiologist Tony Blakely, Burnet Institute head Brendan Crabb, the Grattan Institute’s Stephen Duckett, the Kirby Institute’s biosecurity program head Raina MacIntyre and ANU vice-chancellor and Nobel-prize winning astronomer Brian Schmidt.
 

Nothing to do with the media its the modelling that's making the call.

Compare NSW opening up at what 60% ish total with ICUs over run compared to Danish more than 80% of people above the age of 12.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
Nothing to do with the media its the modelling that's making the call.

Compare NSW opening up at what 60% ish total with ICUs over run compared to Danish more than 80% of people above the age of 12.

What could possibly go wrong?
So as long as you call it modelling, it doesn't matter where it comes from, priceless. ?
Who is OzSAGE?
Should the Government use their modelling to decide their course of action?
Or are they another "new science group"that fits in with your perception? Of canning any Government, as long as it isn't a labor Government.
WayneL will be happy, as OzSAGE seems to be suggesting waiting until everyone is vaccinated, which could be some time as in Wayne's case. ?

From the article:
The OzSAGE modelling is solely for the effect that easing restrictions would have in NSW. It has yet to model the outcome of eased restrictions in Victoria or the rest of the country.
Former deputy chief medical officer Nick Coatsworth said the group represented scientists who found themselves on one extreme of the risk spectrum.

“They say ‘nobody left behind’. Now, we could take that approach. But it would mean you’d have to extend restrictions,” he said.
“There would be a significant imposition on people’s freedoms – who have done the right thing and are vaccinated – based on this philosophy that we can’t possibly open up until we’ve spent the next six to 12 months vaccinating everyone who hasn’t been vaccinated.
 
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Screw the modelling- this bastards opening. So batten down the hatches if you ain't prepared. Between an economic implosion, or a thousand deaths. Well the government has made its choice.
 
Screw the modelling- this bastards opening. So batten down the hatches if you ain't prepared. Between an economic implosion, or a thousand deaths. Well the government has made its choice.
What do you think will happen? You're there, you have a feel for it, we've discussed it endlessly on the forum.
 
What do you think will happen? You're there, you have a feel for it, we've discussed it endlessly on the forum.
Everyone has lockdown fatigue. It's more community numbness than anger. No one really is paying attention to the hospitals. Which is why I recommend getting the vax now. You cannot put this back in the bottle, so vax as many as they can to try and stem the tide.

I think hospitals will overfill and we get deaths. But it times out with the summer months. So realistically it's lucky in the timing. Some of the other states that tried locking down hard are only going to prolong the inevitable into next winter.

Everyone here is vaxxing to avoid restrictions. Young people especially. The only people that care about the virus are journos. And those sht mongers have so far got everything wrong.
 


I didn't look as its an opinion and as for the government NSW and Federal they make up there own story then say they are following the modelling / health advice or national plan and then wont release the advice.

WayneL and others have blocked me which has been wonderful win win ?
 
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