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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Dude they were angry as the media kept emphasising "Thai".
A lot were copping abuse in the streets. They don't like people doing the wrong when it reflects on all of them.

I've already said too much that I've probably pissed them off.
 
Knobby22 said:
She just wants to get permission to stay in the USA and now she can argue she is a dissident.
She was in Hing Kong, an untrusted area, which is now locking everyone up.
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Knowing the Chinese, staying in America won't assure her safety.
 
Her Twitter account was suspended after 2 days (only 4 tweets).
I wonder why??

China........ lied, people died.
 
Sweden's relaxed pandemic policy 'vindicated' as cases hit new low​


Sweden's controversial non-lockdown COVID-19 policy appears to be paying off as positive cases hit a new low.

While infection rates in other European cases are surging, Sweden recorded a rolling seven-day average of 108 yesterday - its lowest since March.

Sweden has reported 5843 pandemic deaths - one of the world's highest due to a big spike at the start of the pandemic.

But figures from the Swedish national health agency showed only 1.2 per cent of its 120,000 tests last week came back positive.

European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control statistics also show Swedish infections are much lower than most of its neighbours.

The 14-day cumulative total of new cases is 22.2 per 100,000 inhabitants, against 279 in Spain, 158.5 in France and 59 in Britain, which all imposed lockdowns in the northern spring.

Sweden also has fewer new daily COVID-19 cases than its Scandinavian neighbours Norway and Denmark.

Despite the encouraging data, it is unclear whether the country is heading towards herd immunity.

To establish that, 70 per cent to 90 per cent of Sweden's 10 million population would have to develop antibodies.

One Swedish health official said the current low number of cases was a "vindication" of a relaxed COVID-19 strategy, reports the UK's Times newspaper.

But a study by the UK's Royal Society of Medicine found that up to May only about 15 per cent of Sweden had become infected and it doubted herd immunity would be achieved.

Unlike most countries, Sweden did not go into a lockdown when the pandemic spread across Europe in from March. Instead, there was an emphasis on personal responsibility, with most bars, schools, restaurants and salons remaining open.

The approach by the Swedish Government brought international criticism it was too lax as the death toll spiralled earlier this year.

Sweden recorded its highest death tally in 150 years for the first half of 2020, according to the country's official statistics office.

Between January and June this year, 51,405 deaths were registered - more than 6500 fatalities (or 15 per cent) over the same period in 2019.

Much of the criticism around Sweden's response has focused on the high death rates in care homes.

Sweden's chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell admitted in June that the country's Public Health Agency "didn't know that there would be such a big potential for the disease to spread in elderly care homes, with so many deaths."



 
Scientists Isolate Coronavirus Antibody In Breakthrough That Could
Lead To New Treatment​

In the latest scientific triumph to offer new insights into the immune system's response to the coronavirus that's on the cusp of sickening more than 30 million people worldwide, a team at the University of Pittsburgh has successfully isolated an "antibody component" to the virus in a breakthrough that, scientists say, could be used in a new therapeutic.​
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The University of Pittsburgh announced in a press release that students from its medical school had isolated the smallest biological molecule yet that "completely and specifically neutralizes" SARS-CoV-2.​
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According to the release, the antibody component, which is 10x smaller than a full-sized antibody, has been used to construct a drug - known as Ab8 - that will potentially be use as a therapeutic and prophylactic against the virus.​
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Findings from the study were published Tuesday in the journal Cell. In the abstract, the scientists said that the "Bivalent V-sub-H" showed a "high affinity" to bind to the cells of hamsters, preventing them from infection with SARS-CoV-2.​
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The finding could help Ab8 become a powerful therapeutic for COVID-19, as the administration takes heat for its unbridled - and, as some argued, premature - support for convalescent plasma, the world is looking for the next "hot" experimental therapeutic.​

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Interesting way for a government to handle criticism, and people in Australia complain, I guess you don't realise how much latitude you have till it's gone.

Tycoon who called Xi Jinping a 'clown' over handling of COVID-19 jailed for 18 years

A court announces the sentence for Ren Zhiqiang after he disappeared from public view in March after publishing an essay online that accused the Chinese President of mishandling the outbreak.
www.abc.net.au
 
Anyone see the movie "Awakenings" or read the book by Dr Oliver Sacks? I enjoyed them both.

Experts warn coronavirus may cause 'wave' of neurological conditions including Parkinson's disease

COVID-19 can cause worrying neurological symptoms like a loss of smell and taste, but Australian scientists are warning the damage the virus causes to the brain may also lead to more serious conditions such as Parkinson's disease

It has happened before.

Five years after the Spanish flu pandemic in the early 1900s, there was up to a three-fold increase in the incidence of Parkinson's disease.

Kevin Barnham from the Florey Institute of Neuroscience and Mental Health said he believed a similar "silent wave" of neurological illness would follow this pandemic.

Experts warn Parkinson's disease may 'explode' after COVID-19

The loss of smell and taste are worrying COVID-19 symptoms because they indicate possible damage to the brain. Researchers are warning the coronavirus pandemic could lead to a "wave" of serious conditions like Parkinson's disease in the future.
www.abc.net.au
 
Knobby22 said:
Anyone see the movie "Awakenings" or read the book by Dr Oliver Sacks? I enjoyed them both.
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Truly amazing ... and very sad as well. People who had been catatonic for 40 plus years "woke up". But then they deteriorated in a matter of months.

Awakenings is a 1990 American drama film based on Oliver Sacks's 1973 memoir of the same title. It tells the story of a fictional character, Dr. Malcolm Sayer, which is based on a real life experience of the author, who, in 1969, discovers beneficial effects of the drug L-Dopa. He administers it to catatonic patients who survived the 1917–28 epidemic of encephalitis lethargica. Leonard Lowe and the rest of the patients are awakened after decades and have to deal with a new life in a new time. The film was nominated for three Academy Awards.

Awakenings - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org
 
The US has 200,000 dead and marching on. Trump thinks this result a"shame".

The reasons why the US toll is so high and its inability to bring the epidemic undercontrol is a reminder of the fortune Australia has with its COVID response - nationally and through the State Governments.

After 200,000 coronavirus deaths, the US faces another rude awakening

The US death toll has doubled less than four months after the 100,000 landmark – and with autumn nearing, there is little chance of containing the contagion, experts say


Ed Pilkington in New York

@edpilkington
Tue 22 Sep 2020 11.45 EDT
Last modified on Tue 22 Sep 2020 11.46 EDT

Donald Trump attended one of his then daily White House coronavirus briefings on 17 April and in a moment of rare candor talked openly about his projections for the number of Americans who could die from the disease.

“Right now, we’re heading at probably around 60, maybe 65,000,” he said, adding: “One is too many. I always say it: One is too many.”
If one death from coronavirus is too many, then the president of the United States has a lot of explaining to do. His projection of a total 60,000 death toll was passed by 1 May, just two weeks after he made it.

By the end of that month the grim landmark of 100,000 deaths was surpassed. Now less than four months later the toll has doubled again, the virus crossing the 200,000 point with breezy abandon.

After 200,000 coronavirus deaths, the US faces another rude awakening

The US death toll has doubled less than four months after the 100,000 landmark – and with autumn nearing, there is little chance of containing the contagion, experts say
www.theguardian.com
 

I not only saw the movie, but experienced "Awakenings" in real life, with encephalitis, and many months coming in and out of a coma, finally came out unable to move, with 97% of my memories gone, unable to talk, a total no existent immune system and one very f---kd up brain.

The only reason I survived and alive today is due to highly experimental drugs and I was only 19 and would ride my bike 2.5hours every day to get to school and back, attend gym 5 days a week and parents that not only gave me the one thing you cannot buy, love, but also taught me the value of good fuel in the body. Going from over 80kg to < 50kg was hard.

Mind you, for the next decade, I go told I would be lucky to live past 40, but have now surpassed that, the experts often get many things wrong.
 
Most of the so called smart people in medicine studiously avoiding the words "Vitamin D"

Overseas where 100 times as much private research is done there are ample studies showing that it is the closest thing we have to a silver bullet at this time

According to the World Health Organization, vitamin D deficiency has been linked to pneumonia, tuberculosis and bronchiolitis," and that "research out of New Orleans found 100% of its sickest COVID-19 patients were deficient in vitamin D."

Ecologic studies showing populations with lower vitamin D levels or lower UVB radiation exposure have higher COVID-19 mortality,(36,37,38) and the fact that people identified as being at greatest risk for COVID-19 hospitalization and death (people of color, the elderly, nursing home residents and those with comorbidities such as obesity, vascular conditions and chronic kidney disease) also have a higher risk of vitamin D deficiency.

Surely the poweres that be should be saying "Get out in the sunshine ASAP or to be sure, go and buy a bottle of VitD"

Another interesting bit was this,( if we start fiddling with our body's defenses we may stuff it up IMO)

"Importantly, influenza vaccination has been shown— by the Department of Defense, no less — to increase the risk of subsequent coronavirus infections by 36%. If we are to follow the science, as Osterholm says, then we should not be so quick to overlook such findings."
 

I apologise for not putting any of the above quotes in quotation marks

Thought I might put up another one about Vitamin D, this one from Ireland

<< What are the rates of deficiency in older adults in Ireland*1?
• 47% of all adults aged >85 are deficient in winter (31,480)
• 27% of the over 70s who are ‘cocooning’ are likely to be deficient (115,536
• 1 in 8 (13%) adults over 55 are deficient (149,049) all year

https://tilda.tcd.ie/publications/reports/pdf/Report_Covid19VitaminD.pdf
 

Those stats are interesting, however, has the trend changed over the last 50 years for those age groups.

And what about those under < 50years of age.
 
satanoperca said:
Those stats are interesting, however, has the trend changed over the last 50 years for those age groups.

And what about those under < 50years of age.
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It was actually a study of the health of older people.

What I found interesting is that older people, particularly those in homes, have been studied and found to be Vitamin D deficient at a much higher rate than average

Covid is smashing the very same group of people throughout the world.

Should we expect that all people in confined housing be given a Vitamin D pill a day, much cheaper than ICU care
 
Cost of vitamin D pills, Say $50 per annum, seems good insurance to me against ICU beds at $1,000's a day.

How would of thought, that the human body needs sunlight. I am sure that as we evolved as a species we did not spend some much time away from sunlight.
 

If we think back to before we had antibiotics, it was very common for people in hospitals to be sitting in wheelchairs out in the grounds or on verandahs in the sunshine.

I recall seeing many photos from after both world wars of wounded people all sitting out in the sun
 
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