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Show me one instance where a scientist predicted an event 50 years forward, and was correct.
Don't be sorry. You're on a winner. The smug, arrogant climate change zealots have been hoist with their own petard and are now is disarray.
People act only when government forces them. Thinking for yourself and actually doing something about a problem seems to be an almost extinct concept these days. It's a truly sad reflection of what we've come to - mass hysteria about an issue but nobody does a damn thing unless government tells them to.
Meanwhile, I heard on the news today that there's a sudden rush to take advantage of cheaper petrol and go on a road trip. I guess people aren't so concerned about climate change after all - they were just saving money with all that fuel conservation.
Exactly so.This includes a majority of climate alarmists. I've lost count of the number of people I know who preach about co2, but drive 4x4s or other large cars, live in houses larger than their needs, have every energy hungry utility known to man, regularly use jet aircraft for discretionary travel etc.
and.....Likewise, I should very much enjoy for George Clooney to drop by one day and explain why each spoonful of the Nespresso coffee he advertises so suavely needs to be wrapped in an individual container. I am no environmentalist, but he is, and I would love to hear his views on why such an enormous amount of packaging is a good idea when a patio heater is not...
...Governments, of course, are fantastically uninterested in the people they are supposed to serve. Which is why you have Gordon Brown committing us all to a target of cutting CO2 emissions by 80%, which will cost about 2% of the nation’s GDP. And not work. While at the same time deciding that the navy’s new aircraft carriers will be powered by carbon-rich diesel, and not nuclear reactors, to save £3.50....
Re Rederob's post above: I'm somewhat reminded of a Seventh Day Adventist friend who earnestly tells us that the Bible has predicted the fall of the human race. Problem is it's for ever imminent. I've known her for about 15 years and it's always been "about to happen".
While our elite scientists are busy worrying about the climate, we may be outsmarted by the viruses or bacteria. Or it might be something from left field like the disease which in the process of devastating the honey bee population. No bees. No pollination. No food. Famine.
Happily, I have been giving the matter serious thought as well and I’ve come up with some ideas of my own. One of the reasons more people need the services of an ambulance driver is because of politically motivated weather forecasting.
The Met Office, which claims to know what the weather will be like in a hundred years but cannot tell what it will do tomorrow morning, now seems to be incapable of saying what it was like yesterday either.
It announced last week that thanks to patio heaters and Top Gear, the past decade has been the warmest on record even though temperatures have been falling since 1995 and Britain has been suffering from the coldest start to winter for 30 years.
And because the weathermen tell us it’s warm outside, and will get warmer still until we all burn in hell, people get dressed in a T-shirt and shorts and then die of hypothermia while scraping 6ft of sheet ice from the windscreen of what the Met Office calls a polar bear-killing, Arctic-melting, carbon-emitting, greenhouse-creating star-destroyer, but you and I know as a Ford Fiesta.
It's always possible that debate on climate change could revert to actual climate change science, or proof of a contrary happening, rather than indulging in labelling exercises ("cc alarmists"), or biblical prophecies.
It's a challenge Wayne. The reality of global warming is that within our lifetime our world will become far hotter, far wilder and far less pleasant to live in. In fact in many areas uninhabitable.
You take the view that this is just not going to happen. That somehow 20-30 years of research, examination and finally physical evidence of warming cannot be compared to a relative handful of people who dispute the evidence.
If you wanted to consider a valid comparison think about the public debates on cigarette smoking and asbestos related disease.
Doctors in London 1939 established that cigarette smoking was causing a huge increase in lung cancer. And yet the tobacco industry continued its promotion, development, advertising and misinformation on the facts.
During the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's the industry just lied and lied to protect profits.
Asbestos was similarly identified as a killer in the 30's. Same story of deliberate lies and malfeasance. In both cases it seemed amazing that in the face of repeated proof that their products were killers, spurious arguments of "individual right to smoke" "freedom of thought" deliberately twisted research, national bribery, and so on allowed both industries to continue making awesome profits while killing millions of people.
Does any of this sound familiar Wayne?
It might because apart from many similarities in the arguments it so happens that the same immoral, lying bastards who kept the tobacco industry going are the ones who developed a similar patter on global warming in the 90's and to this day.
We've been stooged Wayne et al. When we finally realised in the 80's that we were on the wrong track as far as the impact of CO2 on the atmosphere we had some sort of rough chance of turning things around. Twenty years later that opportunity is thin... and that's being wildly optimistic.
I have attached a story which outlines with dates, names and evidence the process that used the tobacco lobbyists skills for Global Warming deniers.
The denial industry
For years, a network of fake citizens' groups and bogus scientific bodies has been claiming that science of global warming is inconclusive. They set back action on climate change by a decade. But who funded them? Exxon's involvement is well known, but not the strange role of Big Tobacco. In the first of three extracts from his new book, George Monbiot tells a bizarre and shocking new story
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/sep/19/ethicalliving.g2
Holdren, whose expertise runs from nuclear-weapons proliferation to global warming, recently warned in a speech at Harvard that he considered "global warming" to be a misnomer. "It implies something gradual, something uniform, something quite possibly benign, and what we're experiencing is none of those. There is already widespread harm ... occurring from climate change. This is not just a problem for our children and our grandchildren."
As he pointed out, new figures point to a rapid acceleration in the loss of Arctic sea ice, as well as dramatic acidification of the ocean.
She has warned that even if the world abruptly shifts away from fossil fuels, the oceans will continue to soak up carbon dioxide and become more acidic. She recommends protecting marine life by reducing overfishing, cutting back on nutrient run-off and creating marine reserves to protect marine eco-systems.
"The Bush administration has not been respectful of the science," she said earlier this year. "I am very much looking forward to a new administration that does respect scientific information and considers it very seriously in making environmental policies."
Facts melted by 'global warming'
Something very odd had happened to the daily updated graph on the official Nansen website last weekend, writes Christopher Booker.
Christopher Booker
Last Updated: 12:54PM GMT 21 Dec 2008
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Butterflies and polar ice are enlisted in warmist cause Photo: Getty
Last weekend, that heroically diligent US meteorologist Anthony Watts noticed that something very odd had happened to the daily updated graph on the official Nansen website that shows how much sea-ice there is in the Arctic. Without explanation, as he reported on his Watts Up With That website, half a million square kilometres of ice simply vanished overnight.
This might have brought cheer to all those, such as Al Gore and the BBC, who have been obsessively telling us that the Arctic ice will soon disappear altogether. They were dismayed enough last winter when, after reaching its lowest point in 30 years, the ice bounded back to near "normal". This winter the freeze has been even faster and greater, making the extent of the ice, according to the other main Arctic website, Crysophere Today, 500,000 sq km greater than this time last year. How better to maintain the chosen narrative than to lose that half-million square kilometres simply by "adjusting" the graph downwards?
The warmists are so locked into their general narrative that the plummeting temperatures and abnormal snowfalls of the past two winters have thrown their army of media groupies into quite a tizzy. The BBC did at least deign last week to notice the worst snowstorm to hit Las Vegas for 30 years, but without mentioning the freak snow and ice storms affecting many other parts of the US, as far south as New Orleans. The BBC was also quick to pick up from Pravda the unusual lack of snow in Moscow, without mentioning Siberia's record freeze that lowered temperatures to -60C.
Elsewhere in recent days, there have been reports of seven species of penguin being put on the endangered list owing to global warming – although Antarctic sea-ice this year reached easily its highest level since satellite records began in 1979.
Another warmist perennial to get an outing, from Dr Martin Warren of Butterfly Conservation, is the threat to the survival of many of our butterflies. As a longtime student of butterflies, I am keenly aware of various factors leading to the alarming decline in their numbers, but global warming is not one of them. If it were, how did such dwindling species as the Mountain Ringlet and even the Small Tortoiseshell survive the much warmer temperatures 1,000 years ago, before SUVs were invented?
Perhaps the get-out for the beleaguered warmists was provided by Friday's Today programme, when it reported heavy snowfalls on the Cairngorm ski slopes, only two years after the BBC was excitably reporting fears that ski-ing in Scotland might soon be but a memory. A local spokeswoman helpfully suggested that the thing about "climate change" was that it was always coming up with the unexpected.
So whatever happens, hot or cold, wet or dry, it can all be put down to that pesky old "climate change". As the rest of us might observe with a wry smile, how very true.
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Hey WayneL, Im no scientist at all.
And I dont necessarily believe in GW.
But why do you think growths like this are becoming more prevelant in
places like OZ, NZ, US and South America.
I know John McCain has had some surgery related to these kind of problems?
Is it our behaviour or is it just some unusual seasonal conditions? 1.
3. People nowadays don't cover up. don't wear hats and get pissed and fall asleep in the sun.
gg
What figues back up this preposterous claim. In the 60's on the beach there was never a hat to be seen. Gentlemen used to wear hats as dress up till late 50's. Look in any school yard and at the beach these days and there are hats everywhere. Cancer is a proven problem due to thinning ozone layer, which also varies seasonally as do satellite photo's following snow storms, which in turn melt in a few weeks.
and what is the anacronym "sfa" ? if we a losing an argument we go down to the gutter, albeit: ratbag attention seeking
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