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Nooo! When they say the science is clear .... it's laughable.Gee Spooly, what do you want them to do ? m8,
When they say "let's act" it's laughable
When they say "let's accept some limitations on how much we can achieve" it's even funnier.
My view has not changed a jot, but I just don't care anymore, nobody else does.so you've managed to stop laughing at the science yet wayne?
cmon... When they say that no new data will change their view .... it's criminal. They are admitting that their FLAWED current models are not only good enough, but perfect.
Don't you see that??
Really?
Weather and climate are not matters of faith. They are matters of science. when the skeptics can model present trends to prove an alternative view, I will sit up and take notice.
Back to 95 by the look.And what may I ask are the IPCC proving atm?
cmon
they didn't say that - sheesh
talk about misquoting and/or quoting out of context.
Gentlefolk, have a close look at the graph posted by 2020Hindsight titled "Global Annual Mean Surface Temperature Anomaly"
Note that in the period 1910 to 1940 the temperature rose by half a degree, the same as in the period 1970 to 2000. But from 1910 to 1940 greenhouse gas emissions by humans was a small fraction of that in the second period. A reasonable interpretation of the graph is that up to 1970 all variations were "natural", ie due to changes in sunlight or other non-human causes. After 1970, humans probably caused some of the increase.
Over past millenia, and even over periods as short as a few hundred years, the world temperature has varied substantially. It will continue to do so in the future whether we cut CO2 emissions or not. It is a cheaper option to learn to live with the changes and spend the money we save on curing diseases, war, ignorance etc.
Keating's Banana Republic remark will be prophetic Julia. That's all that will come of this.If the so called high polluters, e.g. aluminium industry, wish to continue without change, as I understand it they can do this, simply buying carbon credits. Then if this renders their business non-viable in Australia, they say they will just move offshore where no such scheme is in place.
If this is correct, then I am mystified as to how any benefit will accrue to any global emissions situation.
If it's wrong, then I'd appreciate a detailed explanation from someone who knows how it all works (seems very few people can claim this at this stage) explaining how the proposed system is going to bring about whatever benefits are sought.
Nooo! When they say the science is clear .... it's laughable.
When they say that no new data will change their view .... it's criminal. They are admitting that their FLAWED current models are not only good enough, but perfect.
Don't you see that??
Defying Predictions, Sea Level Rise Begins to Slow
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=13679&red=y#379264
Earth has warmed 0.4 C in 30 years
http://www.physorg.com/news148239677.html
Emerging Arctic Amplification
http://climatesci.org/2008/12/15/em...ation-by-mark-c-serreze-and-andrew-p-barrett/
Considering the sun does not cook the Earth from where we are now is a blessing.
Blessed change in the climate
While most of the media has failed to take Rudd to task, the truth is that if the Rudd Government genuinely believed climate change to be the greatest moral threat facing humanity, and if it fully accepted the findings of the UN panel that laid down a minimum target cut of 25 per cent to 40 per cent below 1990 levels by 2020 to prevent catastrophic climate change, then we now would have bigger cuts. A true believer in those claims could do no less.
To a true believer, policy responses to a temporary global financial crisis could not compete with the sort of policies required to stem permanent, irrevocable damage caused by climate change.
My view has not changed a jot, but I just don't care anymore, nobody else does.
If Al Bore can have a limo, I'm having one too.
You stand in a long line of fools that adopt a point of view based on a notion that has no substance, and then propagate it ad infinitum.This is the beginning and it should be the end of the argument.
Rich blokes like Bore have managed to keep the family wealth intact since the Pilgrim fathers on the back of dupes and hardworking folk, through agrarianism and industrialisation.
Now he is getting the basket weavers to knit his family's next fortune on unproven science.
Wake up.
Get a limo or a life.
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Julia,
Mr Rudd is even more cunning than Mr Howard was. Not only has he given the flick to the "extreme enviromentalists" (his words, not mine), but he has managed to save face after reneging on his extravagant promises pre-election to make drastic cuts to emissions.
He gets away with another symbolic gesture (0.5% cut) with a promise to overcompensate the non-taxpayers for their inconvenience and again at the expense of the taxpayers.
At the same he is careful to not damage too much, those industries without which we would be a basket case. He will just squeeze enough out of them to make the non-taxpayers happy, and keep his popularity rating up.
Keating's Banana Republic remark will be prophetic Julia. That's all that will come of this.
You stand in a long line of fools that adopt a point of view based on a notion that has no substance, and then propagate it ad infinitum.
The science is proven, and continues to be backed by more and more observations that paint a bleak future on the climate front.
Pathetic journalists like Bolt will have us all believe that Australia is not getting any warmer because it recently got cooler - as it did this year. But with inherent neglect he will fail to mention that this is the 15 hottest year since records were kept.
Elsewhere, the WMO will be releasing detailed information on land ice melts that confirms the "amplication effect" is in full force. This effect occurs when the surface area of ice recedes and allows oceans to absorb solar radiation rather than reflect it. In essence it means that higher latitudes will experience warming more rapidly than lower latitudes.
I no longer wonder about the "evidence" that will be required to prove once and for all that the greenhouse model got it right. By then I expect it will be so late that only catastrophic changes to our liifestyles will make any difference at all, and then too slowly for us to enjoy our efforts.
I'm being totally serious when I say that Australia's 21 million people is too many. NSW, Vic, SA and WA are pretty clearly struggling to sustain present populations as it is with only Qld, Tas and possibly NT being logical places for population growth. But even in those 3 states, the realistic potential for growth is likely to be less than the needed population reduction in the other states - Australia is over populated.Smurf rightly raises the factor of "over-population". To which many might *cringe* and put their fingers in their ears. Well, China's current birth rate is between 1-2 per woman and the situation we find ourselves in is bad enough. Well, where do we think the planet would be right now if China had maintained it's 1969 birth rate level of 6 children per woman??!!
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