Christine Nixon: "Eight in compact sports Car, not Illegal"

Why bitching on the Police Commissioner? It is Parliament which makes the laws. The police simply apply it. Part of the poor front line which has to scrape out the goo of what was once a living human being.

Give the poor bastards a break and admit that stupid people will get themselves killed no matter how much law is in the statutes.

Judd said:

Why bitching on the Police Commissioner? It is Parliament which makes the laws. The police simply apply it. Part of the poor front line which has to scrape out the goo of what was once a living human being.

Give the poor bastards a break and admit that stupid people will get themselves killed no matter how much law is in the statutes.

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Yep. I wonder how many "retiring" or "resigning" members of the Police Forces of Australia do so because they have had a gutful of -

(a) moronic sentencings by pathetic judges who on the face of it would seem more concerned that they might offend a criminal and thus earn some sort of retribution, or

(b) moronic laws designed by social do-gooders to give maximum benefit to criminals whilst denying victims any decent degree of "justice".

I watched the Brits "Crash Investigation" on telly last night. Two instances were proven of "dangerous driving". One causing death (driver fined and sentenced to 4 years jail), the other causing serious injury (driver fined and sentenced to 12 months imprisonment). I'm pretty sure in the Australian series, no-one convicted of dangerous driving causing death was actually imprisoned. Just fined and given "suspended sentences".

Pathetic.



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Prospector said:

Thanks to those who just did!



This bit

AND this bit

If the passenger occupies a seating position fitted with a seatbelt, the passenger must wear the seatbelt

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Prospector - thanks for clearing that up. I read the national regulations in the link posted by coffee king, and assumed the vic regulations that were posted were a verbatim copy but that word "IF" is a key difference. The national regulations have it this way:

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Offence provision .

(3) The passenger:

(a) must occupy a seating position:

(i) that is fitted with a seatbelt; and

(ii) that is not occupied by a person who is not exempt, under rule 267, from wearing a seatbelt; and

(b) must not occupy the same seating position as another passenger (whether or not the other passenger is exempt from wearing a seatbelt under rule 267); and

(c) must wear the seatbelt properly adjusted and fastened.
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Which seems unambiguous.

But the Victorian regulations phrase it differently as you've pointed out, so I stand corrected.

cuttlefish said:

Prospector - thanks for clearing that up. I read the national regulations in the link posted by coffee king, and assumed the vic regulations that were posted were a verbatim copy but that word "IF" is a key difference. The national regulations have it this way:

Which seems unambiguous.

But the Victorian regulations phrase it differently as you've pointed out, so I stand corrected.

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The National Regulations are actually a myth - because each State still enforces their own laws. eg in Victoria, right turns are done from the left (can never understand why more T Bone accidents dont occur!) and you can turn a U turn at traffic lights. In SA, if you did a U Turn at traffic lights you are gone!

Experience tells me you can fit 15 people in a Morris Minor that never had seat belts fitted.

Hmm, that was 35 years ago though.

(and my Rover 3500 (1969 - pre ADR's) only had aftermarket seat belts in the front seats, so whether 2, 3, 4 in the back seats they all would be legal)