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“LNG (imported) into Pakistan is now about $250 per tonne more expensive than 180-cst (centistoke) HSFO,” a senior Singapore-based fuel oil trader said.
He added that on a forward price basis, spot LNG cargoes are trading above fuel oil prices through the first-quarter of 2022.
“We will see unprecedented switching into first quarter of next year at current prices,” the trader said, noting that fuel switching is already occurring across Asia and the Middle East.
The bit I forgot to mention is the possibility that the situation is political in the first place.I'll avoid trying to forecast politics.....
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/traders-aim-40-u-natural-151211508.htmlThe bit I forgot to mention is the possibility that the situation is political in the first place.
That is, in the case of China, it's at least possible that the problem isn't a physical lack of available generating capacity or fuel to run it with but simply that there's a game being played.
Such things have certainly been done in other countries after all, Australia included, in the past.
My thoughts are the latter...The bit I forgot to mention is the possibility that the situation is political in the first place.
That is, in the case of China, it's at least possible that the problem isn't a physical lack of available generating capacity or fuel to run it with but simply that there's a game being played.
I agree, all the recent policy announcements re: industry, gaming, bitcoin, can be interpreted as measures to limit energy use.My thoughts are the latter...
The word "crisis" is being thrown around willy nilly, imo.
Is it really a crisis when the government has imposed it?
Recent trade deals with Saudi oil suggest all in is hand...not to mention Iranian oil...?
Recent bitcoin mining operations shut down apparently due to energy "crisis", there's always 2 sides to the coin.
The face you see, and then the tales you don't.
China apparently wants to be seen to be meeting greenhouse emissions targets... whilst operating under its own agenda.
This "crisis" is very targeted to a specific few, unfortunately there's always unintended side effects, in this case to regionally affected citizens, but it's the cost of doing business.
Agreed but it always comes up when something goes wrong with energy.The word "crisis" is being thrown around willy nilly, imo.
I believe we are over complicating the so called problem:Agreed but it always comes up when something goes wrong with energy.
"Energy Crisis" is the term usually used in the media whereas nobody says "Fire Crisis" or even "Pandemic Crisis" for example.
I don't know enough about Chinese politics and society to comment on things within the country beyond what I've already said. Chinese and Western assessments of the country's coal resources do point to a longer term problem. Right now though - anyone's guess as to the detail.
One thing though, they do seem to have quite a bit of water in their hydro schemes, noting that the largest, third largest and sixth largest power stations in the world, of any technology or location, are all hydro stations in China and that hydro is China's second largest source of electricity after coal. So whatever's going on, it doesn't seem to be a problem stemming from hydro.
What can fairly be termed a crisis though is the price of natural gas in places where it has spiked. It's not up a bit, it's up massively:
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To the extent that situation spreads to other countries, that's the crisis at least in financial terms. 70 retailers in the UK and already 7 have gone bust and, crucially, we're only a third the way through Autumn, a time of year when problems with supply really shouldn't be an issue.
The economic and political fallout from gas prices surging is where an actual crisis is more likely in my view. Serious $ are involved and it's the kind of thing that may well bring political turmoil or at least force governments into "be seen to be doing something" sort of policies. Indeed the UK's already going down that track with talk of (heavily subsidised) nuclear being built.
That said, as per my previous post weather can change everything. Just needs a nice mild winter and strong performance from other energy sources and that'll slash the demand for gas and there ends any concern about shortages. Or a cold winter and the reverse occurs......
Watch the weather and I mean that literally.
It’s coming yes.....We d better look at the West energy crisis
A side thought: in "democratic" France and UK, governments have set and cap the energy prices.collapsing businessesA somewhat alarming video about the situation in China.
In short it says coal is now prohibitively expensive for household use as heating fuel and it's cheaper to burn corn or used clothing which people seem to be doing.
If that's true then the corn price is about to go up. Literally burning corn cobs as fuel instead of coal seems to be what's being done. Corn cobs with the corn on them that is, complete.
Politics aside, it seems to be a pretty drastic situation for the ordinary Chinese person just trying to keep warm at home but from a financial perspective well investing in corn might be a goer?
Then in summer won't have to worry about over populationA side thought: in "democratic" France and UK, governments have set and cap the energy prices.collapsing businesses
in "communist" China, there is no cap..the irony..
Back on the subject, if it starts affecting people and make them angry enough, the CCP will have to act.
So release gov stocks, ban and cap use.
Will be interesting to follow.
And all that during the media circus at Glasgow with more fossil fuel blaming and restrictions..
One thing for sure,a good billion or so of freezing Chineses are looking forward to global warming this winter,they are keen on a good 5c increase....
If science was clear cut, China would care and act.but it is not whatever we are brainwashed to believe."... we know China is by far the world’s worst carbon emitter. The regime knows this can’t continue, but also that it must continue until something else can be arranged.
"So, for the moment, China remains reliant on coal, oil, and natural gas, importing vast quantities of all three. But the government is also planning a gradual transition to cleaner power, which will include not just solar and wind but a massive nuclear power program, amounting to $440 billion over the next 15 years.
"According to Bloomberg, China presently has 51 nuclear plants in operation, with 46 more planned or under construction. The US has 93 operating plants, many of them decades old, and only two under construction. ..."
- from John Mauldin's newsletter
I'll avoid any politics and just note there are possible implications for quite a few things financially hence posting it.Back on the subject, if it starts affecting people and make them angry enough, the CCP will have to act.
So release gov stocks, ban and cap use.
Will be interesting to follow.
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