China on our doorstep

Stockbailx · 24 April 2022

I understand their would be two different views to the concept of China parking a security presents in the Solomon Islands. Personally I say no worry's mate, China's just moving forward and could help the economy of the Solomon Islands. As for military bases I don't look so far into it and I like to stay away from US intel and reference because their a bad cook, can't be trusted. Plus I believe Australia being a monarchy doesn't help our cause or know were it's coming from exactly.
Scomo on the other hand is sh*ting his dipers, and putting money into defence. fair enough do that any way but it doesn't need the war mung a. A influence he picks up from the US. It's all about who's got the biggest weapons with them. NO NEED

Anyone got any views on the matter? What economic implications it has on Australia I don't know besides Scomo...

Value Collector · 25 April 2022

Stockybailz said:
I understand their would be two different views to the concept of China parking a security presents in the Solomon Islands. Personally I say no worry's mate, China's just moving forward and could help the economy of the Solomon Islands. As for military bases I don't look so far into it and I like to stay away from US intel and reference because their a bad cook, can't be trusted. Plus I believe Australia being a monarchy doesn't help our cause or know were it's coming from exactly.
Scomo on the other hand is sh*ting his dipers, and putting money into defence. fair enough do that any way but it doesn't need the war mung a. A influence he picks up from the US. It's all about who's got the biggest weapons with them. NO NEED

Anyone got any views on the matter? What economic implications it has on Australia I don't know besides Scomo...

I guess China is just imitating the USA example, how many bases does the USA have on “Chinas door step”

The USA has been trying to extend influence in the Asia pacific for over 100 years, beginning with annexing Hawaii.

sptrawler · 25 April 2022

Value Collector said:
I guess China is just imitating the USA example, how many bases does the USA have on “Chinas door step”

The USA has been trying to extend influence in the Asia pacific for over 100 years, beginning with annexing Hawaii.

Absolutely, why should China moving in on Australia, with its raw materials and intrinsic wealth, be any different to any other superior force in history doing the same, that's what happens.

It is pretty logical really, why should China pay us silly money for iron ore when they could just own it or take it, as you intimated the U.S did it with oil in the middle East.
I cant understand what people are confused about, the U.S is a basket case, Russia is running amok in Europe, why wouldnt China look here, makes perfect sense.
I did say we should have sold W.A to them, at least we would have got something for it, rather than a lot of greif and mahem.Lol
My guess is they wont worry about Taiwan as the chip manufacturing will mostly have been relocated to the U.S, so plan B squeeze Australia for the raw materials.

rederob · 25 April 2022

sptrawler said:
Absolutely, why should China moving in on Australia, with its raw materials and intrinsic wealth, be any different to any other superior force in history doing the same, that's what happens.

But China is not doing this!
In fact China has propped up Australia's economy for most of the past 20 years, and prevented us going into recession during the GFC.

sptrawler said:
It is pretty logical really, why should China pay us silly money for iron ore when they could just own it or take it,

If it's logical it should make sense that it is the case. But it has not happened, so does not make sense, does it?

sptrawler said:
as you intimated the U.S did it with oil in the middle East.

The US has been the champion of regime change and appointment of dictators for well over a century, beginning at its own doorstep with examples from Panama, Honduras, Nicaragua, Mexico, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic. It's big move on oil was in partnership with the UK when they orchestrated the 1953 Iranian coup d'état.

sptrawler said:
I cant understand what people are confused about, the U.S is a basket case, Russia is running amok in Europe, why wouldnt China look here, makes perfect sense.

No it doesn't. Africa is a much better target as it is blessed with greater potential than Australia on all natural resource fronts. Moreover, China would not face any significant military opposition entering African nations at will.

sptrawler said:
My guess is they wont worry about Taiwan as the chip manufacturing will mostly have been relocated to the U.S, so plan B squeeze Australia for the raw materials.

China will have moved to chip dominance by 2030, and would be there by 2025 except the USA has imposed trade restrictions on nations choosing to enter into commercial arrangements with key Chinese manufacturers.
The so-called champion of the free world - America - has bullied it's way to international dominance by doing the very things Australia wants to blame China for, but has not done!

3 hound · 25 April 2022

Main difference between American imperialism and Chinese imperialism is that China makes its money out of peace and the US makes its money out of war.

Whatever happens you can be sure our leaders and our merchant class will sell us out in a heartbeat.

Value Collector · 25 April 2022

sptrawler said:
Absolutely, why should China moving in on Australia, with its raw materials and intrinsic wealth, be any different to any other superior force in history doing the same, that's what happens.

It is pretty logical really, why should China pay us silly money for iron ore when they could just own it or take it, as you intimated the U.S did it with oil in the middle East.
I cant understand what people are confused about, the U.S is a basket case, Russia is running amok in Europe, why wouldnt China look here, makes perfect sense.
I did say we should have sold W.A to them, at least we would have got something for it, rather than a lot of greif and mahem.Lol
My guess is they wont worry about Taiwan as the chip manufacturing will mostly have been relocated to the U.S, so plan B squeeze Australia for the raw materials.

As I said I believe China is following the USA example, not the Russian example.

Stockbailx · 25 April 2022

Value Collector said:
As I said I believe China is following the USA example, not the Russian example.

Something along those lines, China certainly would be cohourst by a USA Influence, and not really following Russia, but Communist is a concern. I just love their food and some toys for the kiddies and grown ups alike.

3 hound · 25 April 2022

Stockybailz said:
Something along those lines, China certainly would be cohourst by a USA Influence, and not really following Russia, but Communist is a concern. I just love their food and some toys for the kiddies and grown ups alike.

China has great food scenery, artwork, manufacturing ...etc and an atrocious human rights and environmental record.

Stockbailx · 25 April 2022

3 hound said:
China has great food scenery, artwork, manufacturing ...etc and an atrocious human rights and environmental record.

Imagine how much you have failed at life if you end up like John Cena.

I'll be cutting the grass fine, looking pretty "smoking up' in dismay about how they brought about the covid situation. Properly don't want them to close to my back door, as a civilization there would be a bit to be said. Just a touch old school communist. (nips). But what it would do for Australian economics, not much but we could learn from our own indifference, and shine our policy's away from the monarchist movement. And stay neutral from the USA influence...

3 hound · 25 April 2022

You could always become a white monkey (assuming you are white).

qldfrog · 25 April 2022

3 hound said:
You could always become a white monkey (assuming you are white).

Hum too much knowledge of ch8na to be honest.
Remember, Chinese are toiling in rice paddocks for a 1$ a day , are backward, illiterate, just reproducing western technology and are living in angst of the CCP in horrendous conditions..and so we need to help them with trade pacts, for them to reach democratic Nirvana.
Do i forget something???
Before i get cancelled and as we need to highlight it in 2022, this is high irony....

divs4ever · 25 April 2022

qldfrog said:
Hum too much knowledge of ch8na to be honest.
Remember, Chinese are toiling in rice paddocks for a 1$ a day , are backward, illiterate, just reproducing western technology and are living in angst of the CCP in horrendous conditions..and so we need to help them with trade pacts, for them to reach democratic Nirvana.
Do i forget something???
Before i get cancelled and as we need to highlight it in 2022, this is high irony....

i believe the Chinese are fairly advanced in their desire to create a Moon-base , seems the majority of labour, exploration will be done by automated ( and remote controlled ) devices it will be interesting to see if they can also house humans for days/weeks at a time in the mid-term say 5 to 10 years

but yes the Chinese seems to have exported Communism more successfully than the West exporting democracy to China

sptrawler · 25 April 2022

rederob said:
But China is not doing this!
In fact China has propped up Australia's economy for most of the past 20 years, and prevented us going into recession during the GFC.

So China propped us up, due to its benevolent nature? You are joking aren't you, do you think they didn't need the materials they bought from us. I mean you certainly have a unique way of looking at things.

rederob said:
If it's logical it should make sense that it is the case. But it has not happened, so does not make sense, does it?

Or it may not have happened as China's ascendance has only happened over the last 25 years and the opportunity and their lack of capability may have factored in to the equation. But don't let logics blur your reasoning.
It was only 20 years ago China was buying a scrapped aircraft carrier to tow it around to their shipyard for a panel and paint job, so as i said they were in no position to do sod all 20 years ago, now things are considerably different. So your comment actually doesn't make any sense unfortunately .

How China's navy went rogue to get its first aircraft carrier

It took some enormous bribes and liquor, plus years of delays, for China to get its hands on what would become the aircraft carrier Liaoning.

www.businessinsider.com

rederob said:
The US has been the champion of regime change and appointment of dictators for well over a century, beginning at its own doorstep with examples from Panama, Honduras, Nicaragua, Mexico, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic. It's big move on oil was in partnership with the UK when they orchestrated the 1953 Iranian coup d'état.

Absolutely and I did say history is littered with examples of where countries that are stronger in a financial and military sense, take over control of countries that have resources the want. I don't know why you have an issue with it, why should China be any different, that is the question.

rederob said:
No it doesn't. Africa is a much better target as it is blessed with greater potential than Australia on all natural resource fronts. Moreover, China would not face any significant military opposition entering African nations at will.

Africa is a hotbed of political and social dysfunction, which I am sure you are aware of, also the population is large, tribal and in constant conflict, Australia is a much easier target.

rederob said:
China will have moved to chip dominance by 2030, and would be there by 2025 except the USA has imposed trade restrictions on nations choosing to enter into commercial arrangements with key Chinese manufacturers.
The so-called champion of the free world - America - has bullied it's way to international dominance by doing the very things Australia wants to blame China for, but has not done!

China may well move to chip dominance, but as yet they haven't, so that is your belief and you as I am entitled to our own beliefs and predictions.

qldfrog · 25 April 2022

sptrawler said:
So China propped us up, due to its benevolent nature? You are joking aren't you, do you think they didn't need the materials they bought from us. I mean you certainly have a unique way of looking at things.

Or it may not have happened as China's ascendance has only happened over the last 25 years and the opportunity and their lack of capability may have factored in to the equation. But don't let logics blur your reasoning.
It was only 20 years ago China was buying a scrapped aircraft carrier to tow it around to their shipyard for a panel and paint job, so as i said they were in no position to do sod all 20 years ago, now things are considerably different. So your comment actually doesn't make any sense unfortunately .

How China's navy went rogue to get its first aircraft carrier

It took some enormous bribes and liquor, plus years of delays, for China to get its hands on what would become the aircraft carrier Liaoning.

www.businessinsider.com

Absolutely and I did say history is littered with examples of where countries that are stronger in a financial and military sense, take over control of countries that have resources the want. I don't know why you have an issue with it, why should China be any different, that is the question.

Africa is a hotbed of political and social dysfunction, which I am sure you are aware of, also the population is large, tribal and in constant conflict, Australia is a much easier target.

China may well move to chip dominance, but as yet they haven't, so that is your belief and you as I am entitled to our own beliefs and predictions.

The inconvenience of "Ignore" is that you miss a lot of these conversations...so getting hard to follow the thread

3 hound · 25 April 2022

sptrawler said:
So China propped us up, due to its benevolent nature? You are joking aren't you, do you think they didn't need the materials they bought from us. I mean you certainly have a unique way of looking at things.

Or it may not have happened as China's ascendance has only happened over the last 25 years and the opportunity and their lack of capability may have factored in to the equation. But don't let logics blur your reasoning.

Absolutely and I did say history is littered with examples of where countries that are stronger in a financial and military sense, take over control of countries that have resources the want. I don't know why you have an issue with it, why should China be any different, that is the question.

Africa is a hotbed of political and social dysfunction, which I am sure you are aware of, also the population is large, tribal and in constant conflict, Australia is a much easier target.

China may well move to chip dominance, but as yet they haven't, so that is your belief and you as I am entitled to our own beliefs and predictions.

Democracy, economic freedom and the rights of the individual are recent outlier phenomena not the norm of history. Can those things disappear, we might find out in the coming decades.

divs4ever · 25 April 2022

3 hound said:
Democracy, economic freedom and the rights of the individual are recent outlier phenomena not the norm of history. Can those things disappear, we might find out in the coming decades.

decades ??

BTW the erosion of such things is already happening

by the time we are that controlled will we even remember times like now ??

divs4ever · 25 April 2022

of course China threw us a lifeline because it was mutually beneficial , but if it had of been a straight gift , you would wonder if they were buying loyalty ( which works really well on politicians and government officials , by the way )

3 hound · 25 April 2022

divs4ever said:
decades ??

BTW the erosion of such things is already happening

by the time we are that controlled will we even remember times like now ??

You sound like you are from Victoria.

qldfrog · 25 April 2022

3 hound said:
You sound like you are from Victoria.

Or any Australian resident unable to leave this country for nearly 3y without a gov department exemption, or sacked for refusing to take a jab even if that jab can kill him her.
The West has forgotten.
Poor ANZACs..all this for that

divs4ever · 25 April 2022

3 hound said:
You sound like you are from Victoria.

nope am in Queensland and have probably never been than a few miles inside Victoria in 2012 ( it was a Greyhound bus picking up fares on the way to Adelaide )

so not much better off ( long term )

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