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delivers six times as much carbon abatement as PVs – but has no government support whatsoever because it uses a fossil fuel.
Frank,
I woke up.
From the article,
It is only by torturing the statistics that you can come at the conclusion of the CSIRO report. Taking something (solar) that has no CO2 emissions and comparing it to something that produces ~7500 kg of CO2 a year, yet calling the latter as having 6 times the CO2 abatement, really is playing to the gullible.
brty
If people wake up and realize this and the fact that that a Bluegen is ten times better
Wind energy can be built on a very large scale at under 10 cents per kWh of energy produced. Far more expensive than coal, but a lot cheaper than anything you're likely to do at home with solar or gas. And it produces far less CO2 than the Bluegen too.We all know there is no problem with solar per say.
Just that solar in the suburbs gives us the worst bang for buck of public monies (Tax Dollar) spent, if we also need to reduce the tonnes of carbon emitted, in a hurry.
If people wake up and realize this and the fact that that a Bluegen is ten times better, we may even reach those Kyoto targets.
Heres hoping anyway.
Wind energy can be built on a very large scale at under 10 cents per kWh of energy produced. Far more expensive than coal, but a lot cheaper than anything you're likely to do at home with solar or gas. And it produces far less CO2 than the Bluegen too.
Yes, there are limits to wind energy use. But we are nowhere near reaching those in this country with only South Australia and a few isolated systems, most notably King Island, having a substantial use of wind relative to total power generation.
Wind energy ... produces far less CO2 than the Bluegen
The govt. has spent all this money on solar for the suburbs.
This money would have been better spent on installing Bluegens, in effect they would have saved many more tonnes of co2 if they did that in first place
NO,Frank,
...and they could have spent the money on hydro and wind, which would also have been much less CO2 than BlueGen. The solar schemes are for RENEWABLE energy, BlueGen is NOT renewable energy. It is just another Fossil Fuel using generator, about as efficient in electricity production as modern gas fired turbines. It should not be classed in the same category as renewable energy production, nor compared to them.
brty
I don't doubt that the Bluegen has a place. But at the price they are asking, it is simply uncompetitive with large scale centralised generation and transmission be that from fossil, nuclear or renewable sources.As long as the wind blows... actually if there's no wind then a wind turbine doesn't produce any CO2 nor electricity. Obviously over the sunnier months, solar wins out (as long as it's not too hot - as they lose efficiency if the inverter gets hot) and on the windy days turbines will win. For reliable, very efficient energy production, the Bluegen units (IMHO) also have their place. Not every small town has a gas supply, but then not every small town has a suitable hill for a wind farm either.
Frank,
It is not me who is missing the point.
In each of your last 4 posts you have mentioned how much CO2 is saved by a piece of equipment that uses ~110,000 MJ of gas a year creating ~7,500 kg of CO2, to technology (solar) that creates NO CO2 in the creation of electricity.
By using the technology that creates NO CO2 will get us to whatever the levels we need to get to faster than using something that creates 7,500 kg of CO2 per year.
All of which is fairly immaterial, as it is how the market perceives it that is important. Currently with lots of units out there being tested, but no larger orders coming in, the utilities are not falling over themselves to become involved. Nor for that matter are businesses bothering to purchase them through the distributors like Harvey Norman.
The obvious, simple reason is the product is way too expensive for what it offers. Until the company can come up with some other form of revenue or product, or drop the price of the BlueGen by a factor of 10, then the technology will go nowhere and the company will continue to suck shareholder funds.
brty
I don't doubt that the Bluegen has a place. But at the price they are asking, it is simply uncompetitive with large scale centralised generation and transmission be that from fossil, nuclear or renewable sources.
It is only cost that is stopping us using 100% renewable electricity. But at the prices being asked, it is cheaper to use more renewables than to undertake a mass roll out of Bluegen's. Therein lies the problem.
Why use fossil fuels more efficiently when it would be cheaper to do away with them altogether?
Why eat at McDonald's if a top restaurant nearby is selling meals more cheaply?
Why stay in a 2 star hotel if a 4 star hotel nearby is offering cheaper accommodation?
I have nothing against Bluegen, McDonald's or 2 star hotels. But right now large scale wind represents a cheaper means of reducing emissions than does the Bluegen.
In short, they need to drop the price to a level where it makes financial sense to buy and install one of these units.
Etc.
I would speculate 90% of ASF is all about speculation.I am not sure what other peoples idea of a investment is but to me CFU is pure speculation.
Great invention + blue sky growth potentual does not = great investment.
CFU may be long gone before fuel cells make any money or another company may come up with a much better alternative.
If all goes to plan CFU may be a great story just beware of the risks you are taking.
do you believe we can do without base load power stations that are fired by coal or nuclear?
550MW Mortlake Power Station project at an expected cost of $640m.
Efficiency isn't really important when you have a free source of fuel (wind, sun etc) that is effectively unlimited. That is very different to using, say, oil where the resource is limited and costly, hence there is a benefit in efficient use. But we're not going to use up the sun or wind by installing inefficient solar panels or wind turbines.I believe wind and solar powered units are only 15% effiecient and would be very expensive to install without Government subsidy. Coal fired are 35% efficient, whereas Blugen units offer 60% + when used for water heating as well. So with all that in mind which would be the more efficient to use?
I can't see the Government subsidising solar power indefinetly, so what happens then?
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