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I understand it is an acronym for Perpetual Exchangeable Resaleable Listed Securities.
(“PERLS V”), which are stapled securities comprising:
– an unsecured subordinated Note issued by the Bank’s New Zealand branch; and
– a Preference Share issued by the Bank.
Can anyone explain how these work in plain english?
It'd be appreciated.
Thanks
This is my understanding:
For the investor:
Debt like returns: floating rate of 3.40% above the bank bill swap rate.
This return is comprised of 70% cash and 30% in franking credits.
Price movements will thus also be similar to debt.
Ranking on insolvency: is like a preference share (i.e. priority is below debt, but above ordinary shares)
Tax: Returns are treated like franked dividends. Gain or losses on sale are like shares (i.e. capital gains/losses if investor). NOT treated as a s26BB Traditional Security.
Why does the bank sell them?
Tax reasons
Because the returns are treated as dividends, they can attach franking credits to them, and thus bank pays you less cash, but still provides you a high rate of return (because you get the attached franking credits, which are useless to them)
Even though it counts as equity under Australian tax law, it apparently counts as debt under NZ tax law. Hence they can claim a tax deduction in New Zealand. (yes, so they attempt to double dip....)
Obviously the ATO doesnt like this, and they are definitely going to litigate. Luckily for investors, CBA and ATO have come to some agreement where CBA indemnifies you if they get an adverse ruling. There is some complicated scheme where u can opt out - but read PDS for more info on that.
Also, because classified as Tier 1 equity by APRA and not debt, then in improves their prudential ratios and make them look like a safer bank (lower debt/equity).
Spot on
The only thing I would add is that CBA expect to call after 5 years, so you get your money back then barring exceptional circumstances. When the majors say they "expect to call" they have always done so.
This is my understanding:
For the investor:
Debt like returns: floating rate of 3.40% above the bank bill swap rate.
This return is comprised of 70% cash and 30% in franking credits.
whats the current bank bill swap rate?
and what happens if you want to cash out before the 5 years? can you just selll them on the stock market?
...you should note that these issues are not as safe as made out to be by the bank. Look at the current price of PERL3 at $169, at one stage down to 130's..that's one hell of a drop & a real loss if forced to sell out.
This is a good article by Huntleys explaining them further...
http://www.morningstar.com.au/s/pdf/newsletters/YMW_090611_Hybrids_free.pdf
I am very new to all of this.
Let's say the market value of PERLS V drops to $150. I can purchase some on market at $150 and on 31st of October 2014 I will either get $200 or I will get $200 + 1% of CBA ordinary shares?
Actually, CBAPB (PERLS IV) are currently trading at $188ish. If you buy them, it will be the same deal on 31st October 2012? That's around a 6.3% return plus the remaining distributions, right?
Um this isn't quite right Hyperion. From the CBA website
Distribution Rate (% p.a.) = (Market Rate + 3.40%) x (1 - Tax Rate)
They give an example here https://ipo.comsec.com.au/IPO/Application.aspx?IPOID=39#offerdetails
Market Rate is 3.2800% p.a. + Margin 3.4000% p.a. = 6.6800% p.a. * 0.70
Distribution Rate 4.6760% p.a.
Cheers
Sir O
About Perls 5, from the replacement prospectus dated Sept 7th. Page 5.
It says the general offer which was to have been open to other Australian residents, will now not proceed
PERLS lack lustre
The glossy pamphlets have been sent out and the brokers are on the phones. Those marketing efforts, combined with the featured rate of 7.4% and the magnificent Commonwealth Bank brand should all but guarantee the bank gets the $850m it is seeking through the issue of PERLS IV. We recommended the original PERLS (since redeemed), but the latest offering falls well short of the mark.
Comparison
For various reasons, PERLS IV do not offer much in the way of capital gains, though there is the potential for capital loss. But, before we explore those scenarios, let’s place that attractive-looking 7.4% under the microscope.
right next to an ad spruiking the PERLS IV offer, we found one for a term deposit at 6.4%. But there are some important differences. For a start, the dividend payments you’ll receive in relation to PERLS IV will be at a rate of approximately 5.18%. The difference between that and the advertised 7.4% will be made up in your tax return by the associated franking credits. With your trusty old term deposit, what you see is what you get – and you get all of your interest when you’d expect it.
To make the comparison easier, let’s ignore this disadvantage of the PERLS and just assume that the advertised 7.4% is comparable to the 6.4% term deposit rate (which you can top by shopping around at other reputable institutions). So what risks do you have to accept to get the additional 1% return from the PERLS?
Catalogue of risks
Firstly, in the case of the Commonwealth Bank getting into serious trouble, you’re much further up the chain for getting your money back as a deposit holder than as a PERLS IV holder. So you’re accepting a degree of ‘default risk’ in return for your extra 1% (or 100 basis points, as they say in the financial markets, a basis point being a hundredth of a percentage point).
Credit risk ready reckoner
Odds of default Additional return required (%)
1-in-1,000 0.1
1-in-500 0.2
1-in-100 1.0
1-in-50 2.0
1-in-20 5.0
You can price this risk by estimating the odds of the bank getting into serious financial trouble before the PERLS IV mature on 31 October 2012. If you think this is a 500-to-1 shot, then you’d want at least 20 basis points of extra return over the term deposit. If you think it’s a 100-to-1 shot, then you should demand an extra 100 basis points (see accompanying table).
Short of a complete blow up of the Commonwealth Bank, there’s the risk that the bank has a less serious hiccup which renders it unable to pay dividends for a period of time. PERLS IV are ‘non-cumulative’, meaning the bank doesn’t have to make good any missed payments. How much is that drawback worth? Perhaps 15 or 20 basis points, perhaps more.
Then there’s the risk that you need to sell your securities for some reason before they mature, when their price has fallen. This could happen if, for example, the yield investors require from fixed-interest investments generally, or from Commonwealth Bank securities in particular, has increased.
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