galumay
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I am slowly educating myself a little more about cash flow, its quite a complicated subject I am finding!
I have picked up the basic formula for free cash flow calculated by taking operating cash flow and subtracting capital expenditures.
I am unsure exactly which items I should regard as capital expenditiure, for example are aquisitions and investments in joint ventures capital expences?
Another problem I am finding is understanding how to treat things like share issues, proceeds from borrowings and bond issues in the cash flows from financing activities. These can make the cash flow look great!
Does anyone have a good book or paper they would recommend to help me learn to quickly read and understand the statement of cash flow in an annual report?
I am slowly educating myself a little more about cash flow, its quite a complicated subject I am finding!
FCF = EBIT - taxes + depreciation - change in net working capital - capital expenditures
capex should be the expenses necessary to maintain operations - parts or depreciation to replace plants/equipment. Acquisition and Investments is not capex.
Thanks luutzu & skc, I will follow up and look into NUF's results - I had been doing that with a couple of other companies and thats what got me started! (IMF & SGH).
I am out bush & offline for a few days but will follow up when i get a chance.
Enjoy the bush and life offline!
My understanding is that FCF = Net Operating Cash Flow - Capital Expenditure.
I had a look at NUF and my first question would be about the capital expenditure in the investing cash flows, the plant & equipment at $44.460m is obvious, but what about the "Product Development Expenditure"? Would you consider that capital in nature - it would obviously have a big impact on any FCF calculation if included.
Using capital expenditure of $44.46m i get a FCF of 84.7c per share and if I use the formula suggested in the Buffet thread, IV=E/r then I get a very high IV for NUF - so I have either missed something really obvious - or I should place a buy order!
( wondering why financing cash flow doesnt play a part in the calculation).
Thanks! Ok, I am back on board, very relaxing week in the end, lots of mud crabs and oysters off the rocks!
What's the point of calculating FCF? As the name implies, free cash flow is cash flow which the owner is "free" to do anything with. They can pay dividends, return capital, retire debt or invest in new business opportunities.
So FCF = Net operating cash flow minus non-discretionary capital expenditure (or sustaining capital often used in mining companies).
I've made that mistake myself plenty of times; assuming that growth is free.
Interesting point, so how best to allow for the cost of growth within FCF calculation? Do you just apply a flat %?
Sorry, it starts to get a bit like a bowl of spaghetti.
Once you get your head around fcf (I don't think you ever master it because it's very much an art) you get a pretty good insight into why NVT business model is so wonderful.
You can get some idea of growth potential and cost from ROIC. For example, at 30% ROIC, retaining 50% will grow earnings at 15%. That'll give you some ballpark number of what each incremental $ invested will generate. Remember that if the firm is levered then you need to adjust for that in the fcf. Sorry, it starts to get a bit like a bowl of spaghetti.
Have a look here http://people.stern.nyu.edu/adamodar/pdfiles/ovhds/dam2ed/cashflows.pdf
It might help.
Once you get your head around fcf (I don't think you ever master it because it's very much an art) you get a pretty good insight into why NVT business model is so wonderful.
It's really good to get some discussion on this topic. Some good posts already.
One question with your formula above - I see that you are dealing with spending on physical assets by backing out depreciation and adding back capital expenditure, but what about R&D which results in intangible assets such as software? Amortisation is on assets such as these is a real expenditure IMO as it has to be replaced as it becomes out-of-date etc.
Also, with regard to acquisitions - I agree that they are not capex - but when companies become serial, or even semi-serial, acquirers I think that this level of "investment" needs to be considered in a cash flow analysis.
Once you get your head around fcf (I don't think you ever master it because it's very much an art) you get a pretty good insight into why NVT business model is so wonderful.
see table below from a textbook I read before.
ROE and Sustainable growth rate don't match - seems the company can grow its ROE quite sustainably higher than the potential growth as predicted by the g = ROE x %retained.
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I have studied NVT's cash flow and I have to admit I am struggling to pick up the key to the success of the business model. I hold NVT too, so I have a particular interest in understanding its special advantage and I was hoping that i would have an epiphany and get it, but i havent been able to piece together the parts to see the story of the whole.
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