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Carl Williams reported as bashed to death

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these people are not going to be rehabilitated in prison they get 35 years for murder etc, the best course of actiion would be a needle and thanks for coming, low cost, no long term management, he pleaded guilty, so why waste our taxpayers money housing him feeding him and giving him comfort? he and all the others like him should just be humanely put to sleep, and just maybe it might deter one person from going down the same road, these people are not heroes, not to be looked up to, not to be worshipped, they are killers, drug dealers, criminals, if theres nothing to deter them they will just continue to spread, wipe them all away.
 
Julia said:
It doesn't say much for the level of 'maximum security' in which he was supposed to be housed. Fairly obviously he'd be the target of many people.
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Julia

My understanding of the term 'maximum security' is that it refers to the level of difficulty that would be involved in escaping from custody.
As far as I know, it's not a reference to the degree of safety for inmates.
 
bunyip said:
Julia

My understanding of the term 'maximum security' is that it refers to the level of difficulty that would be involved in escaping from custody.
As far as I know, it's not a reference to the degree of safety for inmates.
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OK. I'd thought, though, that given how many people would have wanted to wipe out Mr Williams, he'd have been watched very carefully. I suppose it's impossible to watch anyone 24 hours a day. Prison staff apparently have said that he'd shared a common area with two other inmates for some time with no previous sign of dissension between them.
 
Any death is an unfortunate one.

A murder is always a murder - no matter who justifies it.

The murder by Carl Williams to his victims no matter even if they belonged to ganglord was crime and punishable.

Similarly the murder of Carl Williams is punishable under same context - no matter who did that and why.

If one sees any similarity between Godfather and Under Belly movies; recent Mafia murders within Moran Family, Police Connection it raises suspicion of having hush hush :

Has police deliberately planned him to be killed by another in mate because Carl knew too much ? Do not have to go too far :

Look at Jack Ruby's killing of Leigh Oswald after Kennedy murder.
Look at the killing of Indira Gandhy's assasinator (her own body guard) by other security men (Indian Ex PM)

Was Carl duped by police to get his confession and then ditch him considering no one will be sympathetic to a killer any way ? I would suspect his own lawyer to be under some sort of bribery arrangement. Everything happens in a corrupt society.

If there was a video why they waited until Carl got killed ?

If he was sensitive to get information why he was left with other people ?

Christine Dixon should be laughing as the focus of her problem from fire incidence will be moved to Carl Williams murder and in the event she would get a jail free card. Police (and admin) will now try to protect her from her lack of farsightness as a commissioner and hence no action for fire incidence.
 
Steptoe,

Are you saying we should reintroduce the death penalty? Our judicial system is far from 100% accurate so on that basis alone it would be wrong to have the death penalty. While I don't really care that Williams was murdered I don't think the death penalty has a place in any civilised society.
 
Berore Carl Williams died, he had invented a new rowing
machine because he said exercise bikes did his head in!!!
 
His killer was probably a lifer.

knocking Williams would be worth a quid to your family outside if there was a contract on him.

whats with the BS of "cant release the name of the killer"

surely not underage, if he had been locked up "happily with Williams for some time"

or maybe just a psycho losing his temper
 

Williams confessed to 4 murders, he wasnt pleading innocence but guilt, he took 4 lives so losing his own shouldnt be a problem, in cases like this yes I advocate the death penalty, a needle in the arm would have been much quicker cheaper and lass painfull for everyone concerned, I beleive that in China crimes a lot less than his crimes get you a bullet in the head, your family not only pays for the bullet but has to remove your body and clean up aftwards, this might seem barbaric but with their population they dont cater for lifers.
 

Yea, good idea.
Let's look to China to work out our human rights.
 

Imo it does for extreme cases which are "beyond UNreasonable doubt". Ie, where the evidence is so overwhelming that someone has committed the worst kind of crime that denial of it is simply not even hypothetically possible. (Serial killers, terrorists, etc.) I don't see what good incurable biological psychopaths do for society behind bars or in freedom.
 
The only flaw with your logic (people who plead guilty to such crimes as Williams should get a lethal injection) is that no one would plead guilty!

Aside from that, I believe there is a strong possibility that someone innocent may one day be executed if it were in place here. See the case of Cameron Willingham in the US;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-cMpKfDPHg

Atlas 79, I understand what you're saying but I still don't think anyone has the right to take someone elses life. Id rather see that person locked up for life in some hellhole. Take a look around the world to see which countries have the death penalty and you probably wouldn't want to reside in any of them.

Anyone who thinks the death penalty is a deterrent is an idiot (not saying that you think this Atlas).
 

What happened to "Thou shalt not kill"??
 

AWG

Accused is probably being tried for something else at the moment and thus that trial would be prejudiced if his name was released.
 
chode84 said:
Take a look around the world to see which countries have the death penalty and you probably wouldn't want to reside in any of them.

Anyone who thinks the death penalty is a deterrent is an idiot (not saying that you think this Atlas).
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The US executed the Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh. I could think of worse places to live than the US of A, although it wouldn't be my first choice.
The death penalty sure did deter McVeigh from further crimes.

The death penalty is never going to deter everyone who's hell bent on committing a horrific crime. But it would be purely guesswork to claim that it's no deterrent at all.
If I was a drug trafficker, I'd think twice about operating from a country like Singapore that hangs drug traffickers. It's no coincidence that Singapore has a low incidence of drug related crimes.

Don't assume that people are idiots if they see things differently to you.
 

My idea is definitely impractical - it's just what I'd do if I were dictator. I agree with those who say such things as a death penalty would have to be brought about with EXTREME caution. I also believe victims of violent criminals (which includes their surviving families) should have more weight in such a discussion. In my dictatorship, they would perhaps get a say in the trial, whether or not they wished the death penalty sought (in a case of guilt beyond UNreasonable doubt.)

But to be devil's advocate, I don't know what Carl Williams's total victim count actually is, so let's take Martin Bryant. If society did to him one 35th of what he did to society, could not that society be described as merciful?
 
On your point about deterrants too, I'd beg to differ. Vlad the Impalor showed how his take on the death penalty could reduce crime almost to nil. There's a famous story about how he left a golden cup (or something similar) in a street overnight. No one had the chutzpah to steal it, cause they knew they'd get skewered if Vlad so much as suspected them.

There were no Carl Williamses in Vlad's day
 
bunyip said:
Julia

My understanding of the term 'maximum security' is that it refers to the level of difficulty that would be involved in escaping from custody.
As far as I know, it's not a reference to the degree of safety for inmates.
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Maximum security is also used to protect prisoners who would be at risk if they were to mingle with the general prison population.
 
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