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You all know about "carbon offset credits"... why should I feel better by giving my hard earn money to some 'organisation' that will 'manage' it.... to me it feels like sinners buying forgiveness... "here, take my money,... i'm not guilty anymore. It's someone elses' problem now"
Totally agreed that community understanding of this issue is very low and government needs to be doing better.If the government were doing its job properly, we wouldn't need this thread.
We should all know how the proposed scheme is intended to work.
Apart from people like you, Smurf, I doubt many of us have any idea.
I'm just really taken aback at the projected 16% rise in electricity charges for a start!
Let me correct you before anything else by stating that C02 in NOT a pollutant. In fact it essential for life on this planet!
This so called carbon tax is just that. Another tax. It will do nothing to "save the world", and in fact we are probably heading for the biggest depression since Adam was in the caves, with this stupid idea. It will do absolutely nothing to stop the increase in CO2 levels, let alone lower the total CO2 content of the atmosphere.
I'm just really taken aback at the projected 16% rise in electricity charges for a start!
Electricity generation is the single largest source of emissions and the one most easily cleaned up, hence the general focus on it. Easiest to clean up for two reasons - a few very large sources of the emissions (power stations) would be much easier to fit capture technology to than, say, 10 million cars.
I can't understand why that just don't offer a few billion dollars to powerstations to sequestrate CO2 and get it over with or would that be too easy. Instead they decide to introduce something that could clip the wings of the economy and create headaches for everyone.
Yes, it’s essential for life (of plants), but needs to be kept at a natural, balanced level. People and animals breathe out CO2, and plants convert it back in to oxygen that we breathe, and the cycle continues. But people have increased this natural level of CO2 with all the burning of fossil fuels, and we’ve been cutting down the forests which are needed to absorb it. If this practice is allowed to continue, CO2 will increase at an ever increasing rate. We need to get the CO2 back to a sustainable level.
So you know more about the situation than all the world’s experts in the climate science field?
Any depression that happens will be the result of the sub-prime mortgage situation, and because of increasing energy costs. The increase in energy costs is being driven by an ever increasing global demand, and peak oil. Oil prices have increased enormously for a long time now, so is nothing to do with any carbon tax. The proposed carbon tax on petrol is 5c – that’s hardly going to make much difference at all, and is certainly not going to be the cause a depression.
Unless you have some uncanny ability to know what I use electricity for, your suggestion that the additional cost will equate a cup of coffee is simply silly.Change to green electricity then. Or use less. It's not really going to add that much to the cost anyway - only like the cost of of cup of coffee per week.
Unless you have some uncanny ability to know what I use electricity for, your suggestion that the additional cost will equate a cup of coffee is simply silly.
So where was I talking about petrol? I dont give a poop about petrol prices. I am more concerned about the impact of this tax on business, mining, industrial production, export industry, etc. (And I'll leave Smurf to explain the issues with power generation & CO2 - he/she appears to have a very good understanding of that area). Yes, sure, the way various financial bodies are (mis)managing money, or should I say credit, is going to impact things. But if you think this new tax in Australia is not going to adversely impact the above, you are dreaming.
And the answer to your second para is of course ......... Yes! And you are missing my first point chum. All I said was CO2 is not a pollutant. Get it?
So where was I talking about petrol? I dont give a poop about petrol prices. I am more concerned about the impact of this tax on business, mining, industrial production, export industry, etc. (And I'll leave Smurf to explain the issues with power generation & CO2 - he/she appears to have a very good understanding of that area). Yes, sure, the way various financial bodies are (mis)managing money, or should I say credit, is going to impact things. But if you think this new tax in Australia is not going to adversely impact the above, you are dreaming.
I should point out that it's a 50% rise in the wholesale power price and that is essentially what heavy industry is paying.Change to green electricity then. Or use less. It's not really going to add that much to the cost anyway - only like the cost of of cup of coffee per week.
It will have an impact, but I believe the impact will be MINIMAL compared the other issues I stated. If you don’t think that GLOBAL DEMAND is BY FAR the greatest cost contributor, then it’s YOU that’s dreaming and can’t see the blooming obvious.
No, I didn’t miss your point, bud. It depends on the QUANTITY of it. In HIGH quantities it IS a pollutant. At NORMAL levels it’s not. Get it? Open a CO2 gas cylinder in your room and see just how long you live for!
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