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Has to be in separate accounts to start with. Same as any business activity. They have to be isolated.
When I got audited last fin year. Man from the tax office said "its good you have them isolated in separate accounts"
Have you ever thought of incorporating a company such as "XYZ Investments Pty Ltd", opening a share trading account with CommSec or someone similar under that name and conducting your trades that way? Whether your trades be in shares or derivatives, so long as XYZ Investments trades with sufficient regularity, the company's business will be for tax purposes "shares and derivatives trading". Consequently, it will mean that not only will XYZ Investments pay a company tax around 29% rate but there will be no capital gains tax incurred on selling out of positions because the business of XYZ Investments is shares and derivatives trading.
Not to be pedantic, and I'm interested in the answer, but it doesn't sound like he was saying you need segregated accounts as much as it sounds like he was saying "my job is easier because you have segregated accounts".
The capital gain from trading will be considered ordinary income and taxed at 30%. No different from an individual.
If you're an individual in a high tax bracket selling an asset held for less than 12 months, there is a difference.
Not to be pedantic, and I'm interested in the answer, but it doesn't sound like he was saying you need segregated accounts as much as it sounds like he was saying "my job is easier because you have segregated accounts".
I meant trading assets is no different if you are an individual or a company. Both are not CGT events.
Right. The advantages with trading in assets under a company structure, however, is that no matter how much the company makes from its trades each tax year it will only ever pay the company tax rate. The same is not true of an individual. Should an individual make, say, $180K as a result of full-time trading, they will pay 45% of that in tax (not counting any deductions that they may be entitled to).
I have separated out trading vs investment income from the same broker account. My accountant just told me that make sure I am able to justify how I made the separation between trading vs investment if I ever get audited.
And I do actually keep a separate file and notes on all "investment" decisions.
How do you work that out? Current tax bracket for individuals earning $180K is 45c on $1. For a company it is 30% of taxable income.
Tax for an individual is marginal, tax for a company is flat.
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