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Jesse Livermore

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Hi all,

Off the topic of finance and investment for a while, I wanted to see how fit we all are. I do an upper body/lower body weight-training split 4 times a week, and 20 minutes of high intensity cardio twice a week. I have a strict vegetarian diet (4 wholefood meals a day), however a make room for my whey protein and creatine supplements (2 shakes a day).

Height: 184cm
Weight: 75kg (added 5kg of muscle mass over the past 6 weeks)
Body Fat: Unknown (probably around 7.5%)

Max Bench Press (6 reps with dumbbells): 60kg (up from 40kg 6 weeks ago)
Max Squat (6 reps with dumbbells): 90kg (up from 75kg 6 weeks ago)

20 minutes on the treadmill: 4 km at an average speed of 12km/h (up 1km from 6 weeks ago)

So what have you got?

Jesse Livermore
 
I can lift an esky full of beer and carry it 300m to the beach...don't ask me to lift anything else though.

Just joking

I have a different approach. I like to see things whilst exersizing...sunsets, waves on the beach, wildlife etc. Can't see the point otherwise. So it's the MTB for me.

also I've spent a few years underneath 500kg of horseflesh and have stacked 1000's of bales of hay and bags of grain. This was back in the days of 3 bushel bags too. None of this 25kg maximum for the wimps today.

Also have a strict diet, but none of that whey protein rubbish....dairy verbotten.

44 years old, 173cm. 68kg...and I reckon I could run rings around ya hahahaha
 
I forget to add my age.

Age: 19

wayneL said:
Also have a strict diet, but none of that whey protein rubbish
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I eat an MRP (Meal Replacment Powder) called EAS Myoplex Original Vanilla Cream. It consists of 42g of whey protein, a percentage of maltodextrin (a scientific carb), as well as 27 essential muscle building vitimans and minerals. Mix it up in icy cold water and you've got the most perfect balanced meal. It tastes delicious!

When you work out as hard as I do your muscles needs substantially more protein, and also being vegetarian I need heaps more if I am to make gains.

P.S. Make sure you know the difference between health and fitness. you don't need to take supplements to be healthy, wholefoods will do, but if you are very active or an athlete and have specific fitness goals, you will achieve greater results if you supplement.

P.P.S. Don't drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, or do drugs!!!

Jesse Livermore
 
FYI:

After fat and casein are removed from milk, dairy processors
are left with whey protein. Whey is composed of bovine blood
proteins. Serum albumen. Lactalbumen. Dead white blood
cells. Hormonal residues including estrogen and
progesterone.

The body's reaction to a foreign protein is to destroy that
antigen-like invader with an antibody. For those individuals
unfortunate enough to possess a genetic pre-disposition to
such an event, the antibody then turns upon one's own cells.
That is what is known as an auto-immune response.

In the case of diabetes and Multiple Sclerosis (MS), the
body's response to whey proteins is to attack the outer
membrane protecting nerve cells, or the myelin sheath.

It has long been established that early exposure to bovine
proteins is a trigger for insulin dependent diabetes
mellitus. Researchers have made that same milk consumption
connection to MS. The July 30, 1992 issue of the New England
Journal of Medicine first reported the diabetes autoimmune
response milk connection:

"Patients with insulin dependent diabetes mellitus produce
antibodies to cow milk proteins that participate in the
development of islet dysfunction... Taken as a whole, our
findings suggest that an active response in patients with
IDDM (to the bovine protein) is a feature of the auto-immune
response."

On December 14, 1996, The Lancet revealed:

"Cow's milk proteins are unique in one respect: in
industrialized countries they are the first foreign proteins
entering the infant gut, since most formulations for babies
are cow milk-based. The first pilot stage of our IDD
prevention study found that oral exposure to dairy milk
proteins in infancy resulted in both cellular and immune
response...this suggests the possible importance of the gut
immune system to the pathogenesis of IDD."
 
I know meat, egg, and dairy protein is not the best, I don't eat any whole meat, egg, or dairy food, however I have made one exeption with supplements.

The egg/milk protein, I feel, is not pure enough to really affect my system. Muscle growth is dramatically enhanced with such proteins.

Once again I am not fond of meat, egg, or dairy, but I need to take it's supplements if I am to achieve greater muscle gains, I may dispose of it when I figure out a way that I could get adequate vegetable protein to attain muscle growth, but untill then...

Jesse Livermore
 
Maltodextrin is not really a scientific carb. It is carbohydrate isolated from wheat (corn in the US) and is used in many many processed foods as a sweetener and as a thickening agent.

It is a sugar with a more suitable GI than say glucose, depending on when used.

Its main attribute is that is Cheap. I used to buy it for about 50c a kilo from goodman fielder.

I asked them the main use...soup thickener. LOL

Don't believe all the BS on those products, it's all spin.

You could make those products youself for nix.
 
PS

I know all this stuff because I helped develop a pre-race carb (and other stuff)...(nothing illegal BTW) loading supplement for racehorses.

So I had to know exersize physiology.

In certain instances it is a magic bullet

Cheers
 
Be cautious of soy products also. There is a few problems with it depending on the processing etc. Straight raw soy is full of phytites and can cause mineral malabsorption.

Cheers
 
Interesting stuff Wayne.I've been a heavy milk drinker all my life!!
Jesse your a freek!
Back at 30 yrs of age I ran ultra tri's on a Macrobiotic diet.
Now at 51 I'm 1.85 tall and 95KG
I run along the beach (Agree with Wayne) only 20K a week
and pullout the Mountainbike once in a while and ride 15K or so.

Gave up Smoking 2 yrs ago having smoked for 12 yrs.
Dont drink,so I'm often thirsty.(I'd have a carton of Beer Corona's a year and the odd glass of red)

Find fitness is very important and harder to maintain a level the older you get.
Improvement once you put in the time is dramatic.I like to compete in a few races a year just to have something to aim at.

Biggest even was at 30
Benificial 6 day Ultra Tri.
Day (1) 154K on the bike
Day (2) 205K on the bike.
Day (3) 38K in the canoe
Day (4) 38K in the Canoe
Day (5) 64k Run
Day (6) 42.2K Marathon.

Of 200 entrants came 43 rd.
So Jesse I know what its like to be a freek and its good.
Enjoy what you have for as long as you can cause you wont have it for ever.
 
tech/a said:
Biggest even was at 30
Benificial 6 day Ultra Tri.
Day (1) 154K on the bike
Day (2) 205K on the bike.
Day (3) 38K in the canoe
Day (4) 38K in the Canoe
Day (5) 64k Run
Day (6) 42.2K Marathon.

Of 200 entrants came 43 rd.
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I'm impressed that anyone could actaully survive this!!

Well done!
 
Wayne when you train 18 mths and 3hrs a day it becomes possible.

I have always wanted to do the Hawii Ultra.

I only have the T/Shrt and medallion left of the Race.
Its mounted in a frame and its only I that get the satisfaction of achievement every time my eye glances past it.

I think everyone should at least do one extreme thing in their life.Parachuting is popular as is the Kokoda Trail.
Something that people react to like you did--WOW really!

Of the 200 entrants there were 1000 support crew.
Each night they partied at a different oval and we slept and had massage and ached and moaned.

FANTASTIC.
 
tech/a said:
I think everyone should at least do one extreme thing in their life.
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I was a passenger in a drift car competition about a month ago -F$@#$N crazy!

And I ride a motorbike.
 
To Jesse,

Iv tried myoplex as well, i think it has way 2 much carbs (25g/serve), its better to get a slow release formula (myoplex is slow release as well) with higher percentage of protein, and less carbs for a meal replacement. Your body needs carbs, but its better to get them from vegetables and salads.

For after training, ppl often talk about the 40-min "window of opportunity" to get protein into your muscles. For this purpose, try a hydrolysed protein, i think theres one at GNC called: "Hydroxy XL-3" and this is the one every1 recommends for use straight after training (its absorbed straight away, mixes easily, small particle size), and then, you still eat, of course.

I stand to be corrected on anything i write...

Cheers
 
Hi Jesse,

While MRP are good for people in a rush, they do have too much sugar in them. When I started training the guy at my local suppliment store told me to just buy optimum protein (or something cheap) and mix dextrose with it to save me money. Personally I dont think you should drink any of your carbs but.

There have been some pretty successful vegetarian bodybuilders, but its hard to add alot of weight when your not eating meat and like someone else said try and avoid soy, last i heard it increased oestrogen in men...

Stats:
age: 21
Weight 82.5kgs
Max Bench: 100kgs x 5
Max Squat: 120kgs x 6
Max Dead: 140kgs x 2


PS. Whey protein is not a milk/egg protein, its a by product of cheese and the most readily absorbed protein out there, so for a vegetarian lifter I would say its a must.

PPS. Are you actualy doing the body for life challenge, if you are you'll have to show us your before and after pics
 

I agree; I jumped in the ring with Lester Ellis a few yrs before he got belted by Mundine...
 
Thats extreme,particularly as you had a choice!

Whats your opinion Green/Mundine?
 
tech/a said:
Thats extreme,particularly as you had a choice!

Whats your opinion Green/Mundine?
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Not sure really....just have come to realise that Australians havent really taken to Mundine...so even if he was going to beat Green they still wouldnt care they just dont like him.

I wouldnt really know..I just hit the pads and train a few friends as well as my son now and dont really follow whats going on prefer shares.
 
tech/a said:
Whats your opinion Green/Mundine?
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Personally I have to say I rate Danny Green ahead of Mundine. Green has less of an attitude and a much better physique. Mundine is far more agile though.

I read they're going to be facing each other on the 1st of Febuary, and Mundine is favoured to win.

Jesse Livermore
 

yeah thsi will be a great fight, green seems to have lost some KO momentum, since his loss to beyer, with distance wins with sullivan, gonzalez, and the most recent fight

Mundine although lost to Kesler and Siaca, has shown alot of improvment esp with power

its a very even fight now i think
 
Due to uni exams (read lazyness) and being overseas I havent been to the gym in 3 months. Used to go 1-2 times a week.

Maximum dumbell press was 70kg (12 reps)

Height - 195cm (6'4")
Age - 21
Weight - 80kg

And my diet consists of maccas, pizzahut, food from work (I'm a wannabe chef in a cafe) and KFC... plus as much pub food as I can fit in on a Thu/Sat night! Right now I somehow have barely any body fat, but I swear one morning I'm gonna be either dead or look like a contestant off the biggest loser.
 
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