skc
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I'm sorry TH/SKC, but that is without doubt the worst piece of advice possible... not only would it be higher cost (mingling investment with mortgage would mean money going into that account would reduce the investment balance first reducing the tax claimable amount and therefore costing me more), but it would also be SIGNIFICANTLY higher risk.
If I did just use that 30k and didn't setup the line of credit - what happens if I were to both lose that 30k and also lose my job? If that were to happen then my house would most certainly be at risk. That 30k liquidity is the essential part of this strategy, it's the safety net, it allows for a good six months breathing space if the absolute worst was to happen... I would be completely insane to put that at risk.
I'm sorry TH/SKC, but that is without doubt the worst piece of advice possible... not only would it be higher cost (mingling investment with mortgage would mean money going into that account would reduce the investment balance first reducing the tax claimable amount and therefore costing me more), but it would also be SIGNIFICANTLY higher risk.
If I did just use that 30k and didn't setup the line of credit - what happens if I were to both lose that 30k and also lose my job? If that were to happen then my house would most certainly be at risk. That 30k liquidity is the essential part of this strategy, it's the safety net, it allows for a good six months breathing space if the absolute worst was to happen... I would be completely insane to put that at risk.
Crazy! All you can see is tax deductions and potential gains. To me thats shows NO business sense.
Cannot wait till we see some of your FA.
surely there is merit in the idea of not staying invested in a share when sp dips significantly (even if the fundamentals are the same)? Assuming you're good enough of course, couldn't you sell out and then buy back in lower? Why wait till a purely fundamental change in the company if the share price is tanking anyway?
All he need do is use a credit card.Just think of the interest deduction!
Yes I do get it.
What an enlightening seven days you must have had.
You must be a journo.
I get what you do. It's logical to everyone that trades fundamentally.
I don't get why you or anyone else would trade that way.
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Yes simple just buy back in at a lower price..and if the price falls again take another 5% loss and buy again, and if the price falls again take another 5% loss and buy back in again, and if the price falls again take another 5% loss and buy back in again, and if the price falls again take another 5% loss and buy back in again. and if the price falls again take another 5% loss and buy back in again.
Your now down 25% (locked in losses) in the one stock and its fallen maybe 50% and your gona buy again? lol this has the makings of a brilliant plan.generally i wait for the stock to fall 20 or 30% before my first buy and then simply buy more at appropriate time/s on the way down...works 4 times outa 5 for me.
Taking a loss is losing money (locked in, gone, sayonara) now when trying to make money, losing money should be avoided at all costs.
Your now down 25% (locked in losses) in the one stock and its fallen maybe 50% and your gona buy again? lol this has the makings of a brilliant plan. generally i wait for the stock to fall 20 or 30% before my first buy and then simply buy more at appropriate time/s on the way down...works 4 times outa 5 for me.
A version of a Martingale betting system.
I believe portfolio managers should weight the buy decision about 80% fundamental and only about 20% technical. But the sell decision should reverse the weights of the two inputs, 80% technical and only 20% fundamental.
The proven ability of stocks to discount changing fundamentals suggests that stocks will experience a downturn in price before the bad news “comes out”. Very small negative divergences from consensus expectations can often have a devastating effect of the stock price.
I'm another newbie with delusions of granduer...
...Anyway, that's long enough for my first post I think - will add some more detail over the coming days.
So thats a better plan than the one above it.
Youll still buy as its falling but only after its fallen 20-30% from your initial decision to buy it???
So its $10
You wait patiently for it to be $7
Then you buy at "appropriate times" at $6 and $5
So now you have a stock which has dropped 50% and you have 3 positions averaged down to X depending on your position sizing.
Now let me guess.
Brilliantly you buy a small parcel for the first buy then bigger ones as you buy at lower and lower prices!!
A version of a Martingale betting system.
Hi Vader,
The last 6 months or so will (no doubt) have provided a tumultuous introduction to trading the market/s. Would you care to share your experiences?
Did market trading and behaviour prove to be just like you thought it would be?
If not, what aspects were different from expected?
I haven't been on the forums that much lately, so missed this thread popping back up, but you're right - it's been about 6 months now, so well past time for a little update.
So let's start with the mistakes shall we?
One of the first companies I bought was CSR. After lots of reading, I formed a conclusion that they had plenty of cash and were ready to take advantage of the housing market when it eventually starts to track upwards (I felt that the building industry couldn't get much lower, so just about anything is up from here)... I bought in at $1.52 and almost immediately saw it drop into the $1.30's... some panic started to creep in and I sold out after about a month at $1.38. In hind sight... I'd purchased them for a long term reason and sold back after some (further) short term drop - I was spooked by the continuation of the downward trend and wasn't confident enough in my initial appraisal to back myself.
Today, CSR are at $1.89 and while anything can still obviously happen, they've been performing really well over the past couple of months.
And that's why i average down at the appropriate intervals...stocks with good financials and sound businesses will carry on, the SP will inevitably go up and down and that has to be planned for...selling for a short term loss when investing for the long term is so so often the wrong decision.
I entered HHL late last week @ 3.99 ~ my second entry, this time at a price significantly lower than last time....no big deal as the shares im holding from my first entry are 60% free carried anyway and the yield is still ok even with the reduced dividend.
You are having a lend surely ?
From here...
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13513&p=688246&viewfull=1#post688246
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