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No Ordinary Duck
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Investing with a reasonable degree of success is not rocket science, not even close...plans will evolve, he will find out where his comfort zones are, what works for him and what doesn't....all people need to learn by doing...books, study and thinking will only get you so far.
Investing with a reasonable degree of success is not rocket science, not even close...plans will evolve, he will find out where his comfort zones are, what works for him and what doesn't....all people need to learn by doing...books, study and thinking will only get you so far.
Do you think taking that journey with a LoC secured by a charge over your home is the best way to go?
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When i started my investment journey in mid 2007 my original plan was to take out a margin loan and use very low margins as a safety net, something like 50/50 on stocks with margin ratios of 70/30 and 80/20
For no particular reason (well thinking about it now) i didn't feel 100% comfortable with taking out the loan later so i just kept it in the back of my mind....lucky for me cos even with 50/50 margin ratios i would of ended up running out of money in the GFC and being a forced seller...i would of lost the lot, well 80% of my net worth.
Like most you don't know how to position size using magin.
You see margin as extra start capital THAT YOU PUT AT RISK.
Used correctly you won't increase your risk at all.
It's all about learning how to correctly position size.
For no particular reason (well thinking about it now) i didn't feel 100% comfortable with taking out the loan later so i just kept it in the back of my mind....lucky for me cos even with 50/50 margin ratios i would of ended up running out of money in the GFC and being a forced seller...i would of lost the lot, well 80% of my net worth.
Personally, as far as my investment journey goes...in the time period before March 09 having borrowed money would of been a big negative and in the period of time after till now a big positive...the market and the 2 edged sword again.
Like most you don't know how to position size using magin.
You see margin as extra start capital THAT YOU PUT AT RISK.
Used correctly you won't increase your risk at all.
It's all about learning how to correctly position size.
Thats if you do have cash in the first place where Vadar hasn't any.
It has nothing to do with Masterchef, and has long been used before that reference.With apologies for the diversion: why is it that everyone is 'on a journey' these days?
It seemed to start with the dreaded Masterchef where all the contestants as they were eliminated offered profuse thanks to the judges for guiding them on their 'passionate journey with food'.
Sorry.
If i could contribute something of value here to help you then i would like to recommend that you at least try to incorporate some kind of a filter to keep out of trouble when the inevitable market downturn happens....
Perhaps you could use an index, such as the VIX, if the VIX is above a certain level (the bear market barometer) then you go to cash?
Also, have you thought of giving your system an slight edge using seasonal biases?
You could sell in May and buy in November, as an example.
CanOz
Um, I do know the meaning of the word. My comment related to the way it has become such a cliche in recent times.It has nothing to do with Masterchef, and has long been used before that reference.
Some irony in that.appreciate the concern about using borrowed funds (in fact a lot of the companies I'll be investing in will have low debt levels),
* Maximum position size when purchasing a new company: 7% (i.e. $7,000)
* Maximum funds invested in one calendar month: 17.5%
Total Amount of Available Funds: $100k, consisting of:
Line of Credit: $70k (interest on balance @ 6.73%)
Cash*: $30k
(Note: In this instance 'Cash' is not 'free cash', it is a combination of money sitting in an offset account and advanced payments on the mortgage. It has the same liquidity as cash i.e. I can access it immediately, but using it does come as a cost i.e. mortgage rate of 6.63%).
...and finally, I do appreciate the concern about using borrowed funds (in fact a lot of the companies I'll be investing in will have low debt levels), but I am comfortable with the risk that I am taking on. Even if I were to lose the entire amount it would not cause me to lose my house or anything overly extreme... yes the wife will be pissed (ok, more than usual) and my chances of retiring before 65 will take a hit, and yes - that is easy to say *before* it happens... but there is also the upside to consider, and it is that upside that bring us all here.
Exactly what I wanted to say. Find a coherent set of entry and exit criteria. Don't buy fundamental and sell on price.
Some people on these forums will tell you they can sit zen like upon their share portfolio without worrying about volatility knowing that in the fullness of time the universe will ensure that all their stocks will reach their true potential and will resonate to the cosmic singularity. I can't do that. I need to preserve capital and generate income and as we have witnessed in the past couple of years there is sufficient uncertainly and risk of significant cyclical swings in stock prices.
As for exiting based on price, every man has his price.
For me the problem is that you can’t have two masters. Who do you obey when the action that each demands is different. I think this is the crux of so many TA vs FA debates. For me both are excellent tools but I have never been able to mix them with any success.This is a theme that has come up quite a lot in this thread. This may seem like a silly question, but why not? FA / TA debate aside, what is the lack of logic that underpins this rule? I'm sure I'm missing something obvious...
(you can't succeed by sitting on the sidelines... ready, fire, aim).
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