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I don't think Vader wants to trade (hence he posted in this forum).
Godspeed!
Good to see you are using stop losses. Investors using FA can get their timing wrong just as often as the rest of us. Protecting the banks capital should be high on your trade management process.
Since you are using SL's you will know how much you are risking in each trade and therefore the total portfolio heat. Keep your eye on this figure more than how much you have invested. As you move your SL's up your total risk is reduced allowing you to invest more until you are fully invested. I don't expect you to go from zero to hero (100%) within a few weeks of starting.
The main message I would tell an FA investor is that it is OK to sell. You don't have to experience a horrendous draw down when economic conditions are bad.
Oh -and I also forgot to add. Your stated wish is to be a long term investor, but you seem to have the words of a trader.
You seem to be planning an instant portfolio (allocating percentages far and wide). I would read Roger Montgomery's value.able and his blogs. The reality is a long-term investor's portfolio should be much more 'glacial' in its build up.
Just because you're ready to start, doesn't mean there's a portfolio of shares out there that is ready to be bought by you. Are you prepared to sit there for 35 weeks waiting for the one stock that a number of experts recommend buying because it's 30% or more below its intrinsic value (to give you a good margin of safety)?
And then, wait another 15 weeks before something else comes up? For more than half the year, your portfolio would be 100% allocated to one stock, and then 50% (when you got 2) simply because they're the only worthwhile buys. Don't go out there and spend your load (whatever that is, boosted or not by loans), just because you're at Day 1 of your investing life.
Oh -and I also forgot to add. Your stated wish is to be a long term investor, but you seem to have the words of a trader.
You seem to be planning an instant portfolio (allocating percentages far and wide). I would read Roger Montgomery's value.able and his blogs. The reality is a long-term investor's portfolio should be much more 'glacial' in its build up.
Just because you're ready to start, doesn't mean there's a portfolio of shares out there that is ready to be bought by you. Are you prepared to sit there for 35 weeks waiting for the one stock that a number of experts recommend buying because it's 30% or more below its intrinsic value (to give you a good margin of safety)?
And then, wait another 15 weeks before something else comes up? For more than half the year, your portfolio would be 100% allocated to one stock, and then 50% (when you got 2) simply because they're the only worthwhile buys. Don't go out there and spend your load (whatever that is, boosted or not by loans), just because you're at Day 1 of your investing life.
+1. I'm always bothered by the dollar cost averaging thing. Don't understand why you'd just buy a stock on a random day without regard for its price on that day.Just because you're ready to start, doesn't mean there's a portfolio of shares out there that is ready to be bought by you.
Completely agree with everything you say Peter.
@ So_Cynical - yes I hear what you're saying and while I agree that stop losses can be double edged, the downside is a bit worse than the upside... but finding that happy medium is going to be a compromise either way.
My basic strategy (it will be more detailed than this) will be an initial stop loss of 20% below the buy in value of the trade. If something drops further than that after I buy I won't be averaging down, I'd rather accept it as a bad call or bad timing and regroup and reassess at a later date... is 20% too big? that's one of the questions I'm going through at the moment, but from a capital risk perspective I think that is a reasonable place to start.
Beware the stop loss order as like pretty much everything in the market its a 2 edged sword, on the one hand it well get you out of a trade with only a small loss, on the other hand it can get you out of a trade at pretty much the exact time you should be entering/buying more....just look at all the times robusta sold stocks (over traded) that he should of been averaging down into or simply holding and giving the trade time to come good.
Just because you're ready to start, doesn't mean there's a portfolio of shares out there that is ready to be bought by you. Are you prepared to sit there for 35 weeks waiting for the one stock that a number of experts recommend buying because it's 30% or more below its intrinsic value (to give you a good margin of safety)?
And then, wait another 15 weeks before something else comes up? For more than half the year, your portfolio would be 100% allocated to one stock, and then 50% (when you got 2) simply because they're the only worthwhile buys. Don't go out there and spend your load (whatever that is, boosted or not by loans), just because you're at Day 1 of your investing life.
Good to see you are using stop losses. Investors using FA can get their timing wrong just as often as the rest of us. Protecting the banks capital should be high on your trade management process.
Since you are using SL's you will know how much you are risking in each trade and therefore the total portfolio heat. Keep your eye on this figure more than how much you have invested. As you move your SL's up your total risk is reduced allowing you to invest more until you are fully invested. I don't expect you to go from zero to hero (100%) within a few weeks of starting.
The main message I would tell an FA investor is that it is OK to sell. You don't have to experience a horrendous draw down when economic conditions are bad.
Good point, admit the mistakes but sometimes a good investment is sold off and the best decision is hold or even maybe even buy some more.
This is a very good post but I have a slightly different take.
Yes you will get your timing wrong with FA. But a price based stop is not the answer if your entry is not price based.
If your entry is business performance based then your stop needs to be business performance based. This leads to the inevitable fact that you can get seriously stung if your analysis is suspect.
This is a very good post but I have a slightly different take.
Yes you will get your timing wrong with FA. But a price based stop is not the answer if your entry is not price based.
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BTW, have you seen the thread that inspired Robusta's thread that inspired you
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21005. ...
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