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So my blog is really boring given that all I’m doing is cutting my teeth with Ninja trader and reading in my spare time so I thought I’d jazz it up a little by rambling on about poker for a bit.

I used to do pretty well from it, I was always measured and I was lucky enough o stumble upon some good resources and sources of knowledge at the start of my journey.
I used to play mainly tournaments (for those who don’t know this is where each players starts with a certain amount of chips, playing down until only one player remains with all the chips). Always No Limit Texas Holdem. It was good fun. I miss it. I used to play 12-15 games at once (I played mainly online) and on a given day I could easily play 50 tournaments in a session.

I never used to play outside my limit, for example you should only ever play with a very small percentage of your overall bankroll (like 0.5% per tournament, probably less). It’s amazing how many guys I saw go on a run and then blow themselves up, only to redeposit, rinse and repeat.

My playing style was pretty tight/aggressive but I always played to the numbers. Everything in poker is about expectancy. Just because it was the wrong decision this time or the outcome didn’t go your way this time doesn’t mean the decision is wrong. I think a lot of the skills I developed in poker can be used in trading. At least I hope so.

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On the trading front for myself there hasn’t been much doing at all. I’m waking up 1-2x a week early before work and effectively ploughing through indicators, learning how they work, not because I think I’ll use them all but because It’s handy to know how they work and it will improve my learning. I’m still pretty useless with NT for now and this is something I HAVE to work on.

I’m going to either hire or buy that Nick Radge book (Unholy grails?) and I’m also going to order one of the Howard Brandy books - Quantitative trading Systems. TH or T/A if you guys have any other suggestions please let me know.

This is a really long road, perhaps even longer than I had anticipated but I am VERY confident I will get there. My motivation is strong but I’m not sure it’s where I need it to be. I’m not sure why I should need motivation to learn something that could potentially save me from ever having to work another day in my life.
 
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If you are going to trade using TA as your tool I would highly recommend you start with system testing.

You may also find out what incorrect with this statement,

kid hustlr said:
my plan is to take medium term positions, perhaps anything from 1 week to 3 months or more depending on the goal of the trade and the market movements. Ultimately I’m just looking to find what works best for me.
Anyone?

did we get an answer to this question.....maybe i've missed it


"perhaps anything"
is something other than a system or a business idea...vague...price is never vague....the person on the other side of the trade is probably not vague

"1 week to 3 months"
again, purely arbitrary and the market/instrument is likely to act correctly sending you the "opportunity" signal you're looking for and then it falls apart leaving you stranded

"depending on the goal of the trade"
you need a solid plan, without which, a goal cannot be first quantified let alone (err) qualified .....

"i'm looking to find out what works best for me"
right.....


in some small way you are at an advantage as a successful gambler, it's probably not in the way you feel.....it's in the way you think about numbers, nothing to do with waiting for the right opportunity to stare down an opponent........at least, that's a beginning with proving numbers rather than (cough) rhetoric

back testing is one thing, forward testing is better, not necessarily with money, you can get a better handle without finding patterns or shapes or numerics by looking backwards and curve fitting ....forward testing offers challenges that back testing can't, one is hindsight and one is in the present....



i think you'll get a lot more suggestions from active traders when you put up, maybe once a day, an idea youre thinking about, youre just asking; how does this work, how come "it" doesnt work here, how come when this price did this and volume was this much price didnt go up ......a book only offers answers to the left-hand side and not to the right hand side of the chart.....be as specific as you can.....the questions that get answered in a book are from the authors pov at that time in that traders memory not the questions that are coming today.....

i think a lot of beginners want to ask questions and dont because theyre scared of appearing dumb.....get over that.....everyone starts at zero

this is just my 2c worth,
just ideas....
 
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Good luck. Please remember to share your experience with us. I am still doing paper trading and I find it is quite risky to put real money at this stage. The market is too volatile and unpredictable.
 
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Not much to report on the trading front but lots going on in the real life front. Hopefully I'll have some more spare time now and I can concentrate on actually doing some back testing now.

I did finish T/H's blog from the past and I highly recommend it. He's definitely not a fan of Alan Koehler lol
 
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Joules,

Thanks for the advice, rest assured when I get a chance I'll be posting a whole heap of trading plans, as I said though i just have a lot of things going on. Hindsight says this wasn't the best time to start a blog but I've actually learned a whole heap already.

Random questions which I think experienced traders/market contestants will know:

- When people talk about 3 year bond yields, are they talking about the futures 3 Year Bond (YTSPOT.SFE ticker on IRESS) or the Commonwealth Government Bond (BOND3.IR ticker on IRESS)?? I'm guessing one is just the futures contract of the other??

- Where do people go for Economic data. Like If I wanted to find out what announcements are being released today/this week on both the Aussie market and abroad, I assume there's a few websites which show this? Which one is the best?

- What's the difference between the 90 day bank bill rate (Bill90.IR on IRESS) and the Bank Bill Swap rate 3M (BBSR3M on IRESS).
 
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A couple of other questions:

- Does anyone trade the ASX mini's? Reading the ASX website it says the ASX offers contracts for 10 dollars a contract whilst the SFE offers the asx 200 futures at 25 dollars a contract. Is it effectively the same exchange of are they completely different?

- If I wanted to trade on other exchanges, (I'm with IB) would I just need to select the option to trade futures in australia or do I need to select the option to trade futures on other exchanges as well?

appreciate the help guys, it's hard for me to develop strategies in my spare time at work but I can read and learn the practical side of things which will help me down the track.
 
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A couple of other questions:

- Does anyone trade the ASX mini's? Reading the ASX website it says the ASX offers contracts for 10 dollars a point whilst the SFE offers the asx 200 futures at 25 dollars a point. Is it effectively the same exchange of are they completely different?

- If I wanted to trade on other exchanges, (I'm with IB) would I just need to select the option to trade futures in australia or do I need to select the option to trade futures on other exchanges as well? For example if I wanted to trade the HSI what options would I need to select in IB.

Appreciate the help guys, it's hard for me to develop strategies in my spare time at work but I can read and learn the practical side of things which will help me down the track.

Amended my post.

http://www.asx.com.au/products/types-of-asx-index-futures.htm#sp_asx_200_index_futures

is the link to the mini futures.
 
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I downloaded AmiBroker.

I have been using AMIBroker for years and as a software developer there is no system that cannot be written in this application. Other software packages costing thousands cannot match the power of AMIBrokers. The pacakges that do match all the AMIBroker features leaves you wondering why they want thousands and AMIBroker only a couple of hundred bucks. It is a Fantastic applcation. Now, can you write a trading system that can make money, that is another story.
 
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- Does anyone trade the ASX mini's?
No they are rubbish. Completely illiquid. If you want to trade under $25 per tick use crapy old CFDs.

- If I wanted to trade on other exchanges, (I'm with IB) would I just need to select the option to trade futures in australia or do I need to select the option to trade futures on other exchanges as well? For example if I wanted to trade the HSI what options would I need to select in IB.
To trade other exchanges well you clearly have to have trading permissions for those exchanges. Au futs exchange - SFE, is for Au contracts only.
 
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Having also sorts of trouble trying to get data in Ninja Trader. All I'm looking for is EOD data (daily and higher) for the major currency pairs, commodities and stock future indexes.

Kinetick seems to have some futures contracts but not all (ie. it doesn't have the SPI) and when I try to link IB to NT I can't seem to get any decent data, just a bunch of error messages etc.

Does interactive brokers provide free end of day data or do I need to pay in order to get what I'm after?

Does anyone know where I can the data I'm looking for?
 
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No historical free data through the API from IB.

Kinetic has all US/Euro futs including commodities. As well as all FX pairs.

To get Aus stock use the yahoo connection.
 
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You're a weapon TH

Does this mean i effectively can't get the SPI without paying for it?

EDIT: also I had to uninstall my TWS and install some old school version of TWS (link provided on NT website somewhere) in order to get NT and IB to talk to each other, anyone else have that problem?
 
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You're a weapon TH

Does this mean i effectively can't get the SPI without paying for it?

Thats correct as far as I know.

EDIT: also I had to uninstall my TWS and install some old school version of TWS (link provided on NT website somewhere) in order to get NT and IB to talk to each other, anyone else have that problem?
You must be using an old version of NT?
 
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You're a weapon TH

Does this mean i effectively can't get the SPI without paying for it?

EDIT: also I had to uninstall my TWS and install some old school version of TWS (link provided on NT website somewhere) in order to get NT and IB to talk to each other, anyone else have that problem?

Just to clarify... data for the Sydney Futures Exchange is free on IB. So you should have no problem getting the SPI up in NT. Although if you're looking for historical data it might not go back far enough for you.

It used to be the case that you had to install an outdated version of TWS to connect to NT. But I recently (well, months ago) installed the latest versions of both and they work fine. Although I think the NT connection guide still specifies an old version. I actually had to update because I tried to log into TWS and it booted me out saying the old version of TWS was not supported.
 
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Ta guys will investigate this afternoon.

I definitely have an up to date version of NT though

Also Howard Brandy makes my head hurt
 
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Firstly I'm like 99% sure I can't get the SPI data but thats ok because the point of the exercise right now is having some basic data to work with (futures/commodities/currencies) and seeing what works from a mechanical point of view.

I'm having trouble with the S&P 500 data. The futures contract looks completely different to the index and I'm not sure why. See attached screen shot, why don't they look exactly the same?? Is the futures contract night and the index data during the day or something??

Also, with time zones, how do people set up the time zones for all other contracts, for example currencies trade 24/7 so when does one day end and the other day start?

Also, how do I know what the current contract is? Like is the front month for the SP 06/12 or 07/12 or what?

S&P 500 Index vs Futures.jpg
 
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Looks like the ES contract is what I'm after?? Why does the SP futures contract look so different to both the ES and the S&P 500 index ??:banghead::banghead::banghead:

S&P 500 Index vs ES Futures.jpg
 
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Looks like the ES contract is what I'm after?? Why does the SP futures contract look so different to both the ES and the S&P 500 index

You have the wrong month. March, June, Sep & Dec. For US equity futs.
 
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Thansk Guys, I'll try the 9/12 contract when I get home tonight.

One more:

Why aren't there any gaps in the charts for the ES contract??, do I need to adjust the time settings somewhere??

:1zhelp:
 
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