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If I read the above correctly the unitholder recieves a small payment for their units but this is offset by a contribution to your corporate representative with the latter being a requirement for transfers of unitholdings below a given numerical threshold.Since the last post we have been offered almost 7 million units .BTRL can acquire up to another 20million unit. BTRL preferred to take up larger parcels of 500,000 or more. BTRL has an offer document that provides for a small payment to unit holders. BTRL does not to buy small parcels or units from original IPO unit holders for a reason that will become clear next week.
If however BTRL or its corporate representative are offered a contribution to buy the units and or to assist in meeting legal costs, the corporate representative would be happy to receive payment. However provided the holdings are large enough that would not be required. it cost so far $40k in legal to get all the transfers attended to ...its not cheap ..so you can see why buying 10,000 does not appeal
If an item is donated it must be of a value and the consideration is the amount equal to the donation.
As I understand it the transfers are being rejected by Comsec an others.
As the transfers do not show a consideration they are likely not to be deemed a gift as they are shown to be valueless and there for as far as the tax act is concerned they fall within part 4a .
David’s Charity needs to resolve all this and fast as they may loose there Charitable status, which clearly is not a good thing.
All transfers will need to be re issued. Re done for the proper consideration of .001 and then re submitted, a receipt equal to the amount of the consideration issued to the seller for there donation being the consideration shown on the transfer .
It would help if the sponsoring brokers new that the documents had been certified by lawyers and thereafter would process the balance of transfers quicker.
Given the current timing, it may be that the Charity will fail to get any of its transfers registered …more problems for unit holders.
Brisbane Toll Road Link, spent over 40,000 with its lawyers processing offers and transfers and getting same reregistered. It’s a tough learning curve and a trap for new players
I have spoken with David, who doubt has good intentions. The tax act is very specific re charitable donations.
If an item is donated it must be of a value and the consideration is the amount equal to the donation.
Items donated to a charitable organization must be to be deemed a donation at either market value or as per a sworn valuation.
I have Spoken with David and consulted a tax QC (actually I bough him coffee as he is a mate and asked the question and got an answer for the cost of a coffee, )
As I understand it the transfers are being rejected by Comsec an others.
As the transfers do not show a consideration they are likely not to be deemed a gift as they are shown to be valueless and there for as far as the tax act is concerned they fall within part 4a .
David’s Charity needs to resolve all this and fast as they may loose there Charitable status, which clearly is not a good thing.
All transfers will need to be re issued. Re done for the proper consideration of .001 and then re submitted, a receipt equal to the amount of the consideration issued to the seller for there donation being the consideration shown on the transfer .
It would help if the sponsoring brokers new that the documents had been certified by lawyers and thereafter would process the balance of transfers quicker.
Given the current timing, it may be that the Charity will fail to get any of its transfers registered …more problems for unit holders.
Brisbane Toll Road Link, spent over 40,000 with its lawyers processing offers and transfers and getting same reregistered. It’s a tough learning curve and a trap for new players
James W Byrnes & Associates
Sorry Jim it was not intention to offend but your previous response on this only at best loosely implied that there was no charge if the seller has 500,000 or more units and there was no specific information on the actual amount you would pay for 500,000 units.If the seller has 500,000 or more there is clearly no charge and again BTRL pay’s $5-00 for 500,000
the offer documents issued by BTRL pay a seller .00001c per unit
so 1 mil =$10
2mil = $20 or part there of .
there is no charge by J Byrnes or any related party whatsoever for 500,000 or more unit sellers .
we reserve the right however to seek paymnet for small transfers . such payment is limited to $1,000 and will go to ALF Australian Litagation Funders .
BTRL actual pays for the transfer costs but the poayment to ALF goes inot the Class action fund
the offer documents issued by BTRL pay a seller .00001c per unit
so 1 mil =$10
2mil = $20 or part there of .
David,BTRL does not to buy small parcels or units from original IPO unit holders for a reason that will become clear next week.
I note that on the transfer form on your charity's site there is an email address on the transfer form to which unitholders can return the completed form.There is a risk for all parties -- buyers and sellers -- that any off-market transfers will not be processed onto the Link share registry before the current close WED 22 April 2009 without payment of calls attaching. Am sure all parties are giving their best efforts to lodge valid forms and within time transfers.
With reference a post from Jim (see link below), how quickly are the returned emails processed ?
This has certainly brought out some colourful characters.I would go with Jimbo, only because it looks more legal.
This has certainly brought out some colourful characters.
Perhpas everybody on the board of his replacement RE would have had a surname starting with B had Nicholas not sold his votes to Leighton.
BTRL does not to buy small parcels or units from original IPO unit holders for a reason that will become clear next week.
This has certainly brought out some colourful characters.
Perhpas everybody on the board of his replacement RE would have had a surname starting with B had Nicholas not sold his votes to Leighton.
We can only assume original holders will be treated in a different way?
My guess is an original owner
(a) had a prospectus(therefor aware of future liability)
(b) hold smaller amounts(initially worth $1 a share)
(c) how many original holders would still exist(jumped long ago)
So they will either be punished and made to pay 2nd installment because they were fully aware of the obligations (others let off but forfeit shares)
OR;
They will be rewarded for holding. They will lose $1/share versus $0.001/share. Maybe the later will forfeit all holdings whilst the former get a mall buyout?
My guess is if its a negative for Jim to acquire original shares, its most probable he suspects a liability may apply to them which doesnt apply to the rest.
Either way, not worth holding out or taking any risks. Sell, Donate or do whatever you can to dispose of your holdings. This is quickly turning into a game for the big guys only.
Yeah instead of the three bearsLOL - I nearly wrote something about the possibility of the three Bs pulling together yesterday (thought better of it!) - but anyway now there's 4! I'm sure Bear would be most co-operative.
To add to the photo gallery, there's a photo of the chief in the link below - from the Courier Mail:
BrisConnections queried by Australian Securities Exchange
Business Spectator reports:
http://www.businessspectator.com.au...he-hook-pd20090417-R6VQA?OpenDocument&src=kgb
Commentary
10:22 AM, 17 Apr 2009
Robert Gottliebsen
Is Bolton off the hook?
I found the KGB interrogation of Queensland Treasurer Andrew Fraser very instructive. Fraser is clearly not going to put money into BrisConnections unless he feels that the project is in jeopardy. He will not use tax-payer dollars simply to save small shareholders or underwriters, but he clearly fears that this week's meeting may not have settled the matter and the project might face more threats.
We now have court actions trying to overturn the meeting and there are other moves in the pipeline due to the simple fact that most of the foreign banks do not want to lend to the project and are looking for a way out.
The same applies to joint call-underwriter Deutsche. Fraser warns that any major who walks away will find it hard to do business in Queensland in the long term. But there only needs to be one or two court cases that go against BrisConnections to provide a loophole for some to escape, thereby putting the project in jeopardy – hence Fraser’s caution.
The fact that Leighton was prepared to pay Nick Bolton $4.5 million shows that the majors, probably including the Queensland government, are going to do whatever it takes to keep the project moving. For example, while the failure to disclose the Leighton deal until the BrisConnections meeting is going to be hard to defend, it was clearly a strategic move to stop court actions prior to the meeting.
Nick Bolton, who saw the weakness in the BrisConnections situation before anyone else, will now faces a challenge to hold on to the money if his companies are required to pay the call.
In our Conversation Peter Rawling, of lawyers Macpherson and Kelley, showed one way Bolton might have safeguarded the $4.5million:
"There is a lot of commentary that Nick Bolton remains exposed to Brisconnections, but if normal limited liability principles apply to ASL's (Bolton’s Australian Style) ownership of the BrisConnections shares, Bolton will not be personally liable.
"Further, if a special purpose subsidiary (SPV) was incorporated to buy the shares, then ASL will also not be exposed. Bolton was reported as having said as much, that the share ownership is 'insulated'.
“So Bolton will have no personal exposure, he will not be bankrupted. All that will happen, is that a company ultimately owned by him may be liquidated.
"And if Bolton (or ASL) was paid a procurement fee for agreeing to procure the SPV subsidiary to grant the proxy, that fee would be protected from the liquidation of the SPV. All in all, a good deal for Bolton.”
Other lawyers will no doubt take a different view of the level of protection Nick Bolton has, but we can be certain that he will be pursued very vigorously in the courts by many of the parties involved.
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