The latest problems at ADFA make it a nobrainer that women should not serve in the ADF, unless in suitable corps, such as Nursing or Transport.
This politically correct claptrap places young women in danger, in the ballsy world of soldiering. More "scandals" will emerge when young men and women are billeted together in a highly charged situation such as cadet training.
I do wish our politicians could see the error of their ways in this regard.
gg
Sorry, I should have been more clear. The rape issue was not about this particular girl, but a previous instance where allegedly another young woman cadet was gang raped (admitted to hospital as a result of her injuries), and subsequently told to 'suck it up' by the person to whom she complained.BTW she was not raped. She consented to sex, just not to being filmed and distributed.
Any one who joins the services is Bloody Idiot
Look at the treatment you get when your use by date is up or injured as per the sailors on the Melbourne etc.
Backwards, yes, to a time when men had morals.Surely in 2011 men are not so backward to think that women are not capable of being in the ADF.
What about we have higher expectations of men instead of lower expectations of women.
If this is regarding the recent incident, I must point out that in actual fact - she was (crudely speaking) a 'willing recipient', not a rapee. In which case, her being told to suck it up... ah never mindFor a young woman to be raped and then told to 'suck it up' is utterly abhorrent.
Peacekeeping is a funny concept, since it generally means 'kill them until they are peaceful'.Women are intelligent, able, tactical people, they are good leaders and good followers. Women as a generalisation may not be as physically strong as some men but they are mentally as strong and it ain't always brawn (sp) that wins out.
Isn't peace keeping a big part of the ADF? If so then surely women win that one hands down.
Yes yes, leftist, you are the enlightened, forward-thinking moral compass, and we are all troglodytes.Millenia of outdated traditions should always be challenged, unless of course you wish to live in complete stagnation *yawn* There are some pretty foul thought patterns going on in this thread, well outdated viewpoints actually and they need to be challenged.
Mr Smith says the inquiry will be the first step in bringing about cultural change at ADFA.
"The time has come for external review," he said.
"We need to drive home that inappropriate conduct in uniform or as a representative of the Defence Force brings with it serious adverse consequences.
"[This includes] the treatment of women, alcohol use and use of social media and representational behaviour more generally."
Mr Smith says there will also be a plan to allow women to participate in all roles in the Defence Force, including combat.
"I have asked the Chief to bring forward the implementation of a matter which I as Minister of Defence and Minister for Defence Personnel Warren Snowdon very strongly agree with in principle: when it comes to women, opportunity should be based on physical and intellectual capacity, not gender," he said.
The 'Skype incident' - which Mr Smith described as "the worst example of betrayal that one could contemplate" - will be the subject of a separate inquiry by Melbourne barrister Andrew Kirkham QC.
There have been several reviews of conduct in the services since the 1960s and an investigation into ADFA in 1998.
Asked why would this investigation be any different, Mr Smith said "we are seeking to drive cultural change" and he likened the conduct problems with those that emerge from football teams.
"Just like the AFL, just like the NRL, the Australian Defence Force will potentially, into the future, confront incidents of poor or adverse behaviour," he said.
"Culturally we need to ensure that members of the Defence Force understand that there will be no tolerance for that and we need to educate and effect cultural change."
tothemax, how about reading the thread properly before you make the above criticism. I have already clarified this as under:If this is regarding the recent incident, I must point out that in actual fact - she was (crudely speaking) a 'willing recipient', not a rapee. In which case, her being told to suck it up... ah never mind :
Sorry, I should have been more clear. The rape issue was not about this particular girl, but a previous instance where allegedly another young woman cadet was gang raped (admitted to hospital as a result of her injuries), and subsequently told to 'suck it up' by the person to whom she complained.
This came to light when her aunt phoned the media after hearing about the current situation.
Is this sarcasm really necessary? If you disagree with the point being made, why not just say so in a reasonable fashion and explain why.Yes yes, leftist, you are the enlightened, forward-thinking moral compass, and we are all troglodytes.
In reality of course, you probably think any form of regressive change to be 'progress', and our challenges are merely pointing out that your ideas are ----.
What? As always with your remarks, I don't know whether you genuinely hold this belief or whether you are once again just stirring.The comment below attributed to Minister Smith details the real agenda behind the response to the sexual impropriety of ADFA cadets.
This is an attempt to impose inappropriate cultural mores on our Defence force.
PMSL women on forums, who would of thunk it that we would be allowed out of the kitchen.I think some think women should not be on forums
What? As always with your remarks, I don't know whether you genuinely hold this belief or whether you are once again just stirring.
If the latter, I'd suggest you find a less important issue with which to have fun.
If the former, then I can't believe you could be serious in what you have said above.
It has nothing to do with women in combat roles.
Why is that issue muddying the waters about the lack of respect for women in the ADF?
I merely restate that the agenda has moved, from the inappropriate behaviour of a few men to the placing of women in combat roles.
I do not agree with the inappropriate behaviour nor women in combat roles. Minister Smith seems to see a link.
gg
Possession of a vagina should not exempt a person from being a soldier provided she can pass the exact same physical and mental tests as her male counterpart.
Lowering standards to get more women in must not be allowed as it will endanger everyone.
Women in the army may have the benefit of making societies less likely to go to war.
Go into your nearest bank branch. How many male employees do you see. Or your nearest library, hospital, or government department, especially environment....Let's not forget though that women still don't have equal opportunity in many career sectors which do not involve physical strength, not surprising really after reading the archaic opinions expressed here..
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