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So, Sadjii, what exactly do you think should happen?
i.e. are you happy for the trade to resume with no changes taking place in Indonesian slaughter houses, the abuse continuing?
Do you support stunning of the animal before killing?
Only a very small number of Australians want the live trade closed down, but many want to see mandatory stunning.
The government has created an abysmal mess here, not just in terms of the disaster it represents for producers, but it has also offended the Indonesian government which is equally stupid.
RSPCA Australia has condemned a West Australian farmer for opting to shoot cattle once destined for the Indonesian live export market.
Moola Bulla station owner Nico Botha says he will start shooting up to 3000 cattle as soon as Wednesday because he can't sell them or afford to feed them anymore.
But RSPCA spokeswoman Lisa Chalk said there's no reason the animals should be shot.
"There is a $35 million government and industry fund to assist producers during this period," she said in a statement on Tuesday.
“Rather than let them starve to death over two or three months, I'm going to shoot them quickly,” he told News Limited.
“My property is over-grazed and I have got too many cattle, I have to look forward to the next year or two.”
A spokesman for Agriculture Minister Joe Ludwig said the minister had launched action to help Mr Botha as soon as he heard about the claims.
Senator Ludwig has contacted both Centrelink and the Cattle Council of Australia and asked them to get in touch with the farmer to offer their assistance.
Not a silly question at all, given your ranting challenged my earlier support for the animals being stunned before killing.It's funny that you would ask "Do you support stunning of the animal before killing?" after I've already said that no one here is suggesting that we should condone animal cruelty. What sort of silly question is that?
OK, fine. Thank you so much for the clarification which you could have expressed in about ten words instead of a whole long paragraph.If you do want to ask the question, well, I don't care how the animal is killed, as long as it is done humanely. If they want to put a bullet through the brain (an instant kill which takes place before the animal knows what is going on) I'm happy for them to do it without stunning first. If the most humane way practical in the abbotoir is to stun first, sure, whatever. As long as it's humane I'm happy. "Mandatory stunning" is a stupid rule (because it rules out other humane options which might be better, even more humane than stunning), but hey, if it is humane and it can be brought in, sure, I'm all for it. Just because I don't want to see cattle needlessly shot dead and left to rot, just because I don't want to have food wasted, just because I don't want to deprive families of their income doesn't mean I want to hurt animals! I'm actually a compassionate person who wants the best for animals as well as people.
OK, settle down now. I completely agree with you as will, I'd guess, most sensible people.If very few people want the industry shut down but they want mandatory stunning, how about putting an intelligent course of action in place to bring in mandatory stunning rather than shutting down the industry? There are cheaper methods which could be used to do this, and ones which don't require the slaughter and waste of countless cattle. So what would I do? Well, ANY of those alternatives would be better. What kind of idiot regulates an industry by saying "Oh, look, we found a problem in an isolated part of the industry, let's just shut the entire thing down, IMMEDIATELY"? This is particularly stupid when dealing with a live animal industry, because live animals can't just be put on the shelf for a few weeks, months or years while things get sorted out, they need space, money, feed, man hours etc to keep alive and well. Drastic, unplanned action is going to result in an animal welfare issue, and in most cases that will be a greater problem than the one you were trying to fix, as in this case.
Agree absolutely again. As I have all along on the utter stupidity of the government.Do you really need to ask if there is a better way to handle things? I can hardly even think of a worse one. With the amount of money this stupid decision is going to cost, it's pretty easy for anyone with a third of a brain cell to rub against the inside of their skull to come up with better, cheaper options.
Let's see if our Kev can now fix this.
Indonesia is Australia's largest live cattle market, but Australian cattle and sheep are also shipped alive to the Middle East and other countries where they are often slaughtered according to Muslim custom by having their throats cut.
What's this then? Muslim countries dictate that the throats must be cut ?
Hard to sell the stun gun theory now isn't it in the name of religion?
Mr Botha, who also owns Beefwood Park station about 180km to the west of Moola Bulla, said the irony was the ban -- introduced after Four Corners aired footage of cruelty in Indonesian abattoirs -- meant thousands of cattle may well die horrible deaths.
Northern Territory veterinary surgeon Gehan Jayawardhana, who has worked in the Top End since 1986, said the ban would have a horrific impact on animal welfare in northern Australia, far worse than in some Indonesia abattoirs.
Not a silly question at all, given your ranting challenged my earlier support for the animals being stunned before killing.
Agree absolutely again. As I have all along on the utter stupidity of the government.
As I've already asked, how hard is it to just stun the animal before killing it! It's not, and I'll support any government anywhere which legislates for this to happen.
Suswono appears set to teach Australians a lesson about respect for your neighbour that we will never forget. When I set out the danger (Cattle missteps could hurt Australia, June 27) it was still possible to avoid a catastrophe for the Australian cattle industry and the nation. Now that Suswono has dug in it will be very difficult
1. Strangely enough, I won't lose any sleep over your opinion.I never challenged support for animals being stunned before being killed, I don't care how they are killed as long as it is humane. For the record, I *would* prefer a more humane, instant kill, rather than the stupid stun-then-slash method you are supporting, the slashing bit only necessary to keep religious fanatics happy, and the stunning bit necessary to keep it a bit more humane. I was challenging your comment that you would support *any* government which tried to do something to enforce stunning. This is completely stupid. We shouldn't support idiotic governments which do idiotic things.
Live Cattle exports to resume, announced tonight.
Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd had been due to discuss the suspension and efforts to resume trade with the Indonesian Agriculture Minister, Suswono, in Jakarta on Friday.
Well, well what a shmozzle, great leadership,maybe if we whinge loud enough they will rethink carbon tax
I'd love to see the look on Bob Brown's face if they did. Not much chance of that though as Labor has sold its soul to the Greens......maybe if we whinge loud enough they will rethink carbon tax
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