It is also important to factor in market cap and the ability to finance any development with funds on hand until the companies are cash flow positive. The earlier wells on the joint venture will be cash flow positive before the later turnbull ones. Remember ther eis also a big difference in 4 to 1 and 5 to 1. there are 10 decimal points there and the value is probably somewhere in between.
My guess is about 4.2 to 1 with that possibly changing in favour of EKA when the value of their new lease areas are clearer.
Yep thats what im sayong. All other factors being equal. ie development pace, operator etc etc , AUT has 4 x the acerage hence 4:1 ratio.
But once you then consider the differing development stages etc etc explained above, AUt deserves a premium and a significnat one as 2011 approaches imo.
For me personally id rather take what imo is a much safer and fairly high return with AUT.
This makes no sense to me. EKA looks to be the safer stock. It can just collect returns from the AMI, which has been producing for some time. For its premium over EKA, AUT is depending upon additional areas which haven't been drilled yet. They will probably, eventually, lead to greater returns, but that's longer term.
Yes. On an almost 1:1 basis per share. If EKA derives Xc/share in revenue from the AMI and AUT derives 1.05*Xc/share in revenue, who is better off? If X is anything vaguely worthwhile, the answer would appear to be EKA, unless the Longhorn and Ipanema results average better than Sugarloaf. (And, preferably, also time-travel back a year or so to make up for the advantage Sugarloaf already has.)If hilcorp manage to drill extra AMI acerage, AUT and EKA will benefit.
I explained my calculations several pages ago. You are the one who refuses to back up your statements. Ironic to quote Pauline, as you seem like a preacher, just telling us to have faith because you have seen the light.Im puzzled where your coming from - As Pauline would say, please explain.
I explained my calculations several pages ago. You are the one who refuses to back up your statements. Ironic to quote Pauline, as you seem like a preacher, just telling us to have faith because you have seen the light.
Your assumptions appear to be based on AUT racing ahead with Longhorn and Ipanema, while Sugarloaf, which already has a head start, is somehow left to do nothing. Do you suppose AWE really bought ADI to just do nothing with it? Is there any real reason to assume that Sugarloaf will suddenly be ignored, when all the JVPs have incentive to continue?
i still think EKA is good value but IMO AUT is better, i was a holder of EKA but now all in AUT.
condog AUT has about 7 times the net acres without EKA new acres (761acres).
That gives a AUT:EKA ratio per share of around 3.7:1 in either case.
Yep so we pretty much accurately back to where we started. 4:!, but when and how much will 2011 be factored in.
In 2011 AUT will participate in a likely 30 wells
EKA will participate in a likely 8 wells minus Kowalick, minus any in 2010. So a likely 2-3 wells in 2011, as the remainder of 2010 focuses on the AMI.
Hence using todays figures
EKA will put on say 3 wells at 5% * $16M to an mcap of $42 m = 2.4M = 5.7%
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Get my drift. Thats a 5:1 eventually, hence when will the ratio change from 4:1.
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