Australia's Population

incidentslly, the Sydney numbers include the Central Coast , or Gosford Wyong, etc. ... a couple of hundred thou there

One of tenets of populate or perish argument is that population growth , either by childbirth or by immigration, is vital for the continued growth of nations.
Fogures released from Germany put a serious question mark against that tenet.

The argument that mass migration is needed to support GDP levels and pay for pensions took another blow when it was revealed 47.3% of welfare recipients in Germany are foreign migrants.

According to newly released government statistics, nearly half of the 5.49 million people in Germany on benefits are foreign migrants, four percentage points higher than in 2022.

€42.6 billion euros is now being paid out in welfare compared to to €36.6 billion in 2022.

“In addition, there was another record €6.3 billion worth of administration costs for the citizen’s benefit program, which is €300 million more than 2022, according to government data obtained by AfD MP Rene Springer after a parliamentary request,” reports Remix News.

“If this administrative money is added, then total welfare costs equaled €48.9 billion. Bild notes this figure is 14.8 percent higher than in 2023, 18.4 percent higher compared to 2020, and 23 percent higher compared to 2015.”

2.6 million foreign migrants are now citizen’s allowance recipients, a rise of 368,000 on the previous year, which equates to 16.5 per cent.

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I tried to find equivalent stats for OZ, but most of the articles and hard data were out of date.
I did find this ABS article that stated that for those of working age , only about 11% were Receiving unemployment payments, compared for 13% for the general population.

In the 2019-20 financial year, for those aged 15-64 years, the proportion of migrants who received unemployment payments was 11%, compared with 13% of the total Australian population aged 15-64 years. This was:

• highest for Humanitarian migrants (31%)
• lowest for Skilled migrants (8%).

For migrants overall, proportions who received unemployment payments were similar (11%) regardless of time since they arrived in Australia. By visa stream, the proportions:

• increased for Family migrants the longer they lived in Australia
• decreased for Humanitarian migrants from almost half (49%) of those who lived in Australia for less than 5 years to just under one quarter (24%) of those in Australia for more than 10 years.

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Mick

mullokintyre said:

One of tenets of populate or perish argument is that population growth , either by childbirth or by immigration, is vital for the continued growth of nations.
Fogures released from Germany put a serious question mark against that tenet.


I tried to find equivalent stats for OZ, but most of the articles and hard data were out of date.
I did find this ABS article that stated that for those of working age , only about 11% were Receiving unemployment payments, compared for 13% for the general population.


Mick

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I wonder how we managed when we had a population of 10million.

I side a bit with Nigel Farage, if we need skilled migrants then bring them in, but don't bring in their families or the grannies of people already here under the Family Reunion program.

Migration should be an economic policy not a social one, which is why we are opening ourselves up to big debt in the future.

And we don't just need a migration policy, we need a population policy, ie how many people can the country support, where will they live, what infrastructure is required, how will it be paid for?

There used to be a fuss about this a while ago which is why there used to be a population Minister, but nothing is heard from them on that topic now.

It just appears to be a race to the lowest common denominator, back to the feudal system, where the rich will own all the assets and the workers will always rent.
A couple of weeks ago a suggestion in Parliament was to give overseas companies big tax breaks to build rental tenements, it was only a few years ago we were knocking them down, because of the social problems those slums bred.
Funny old world at the moment.

sptrawler said:

It just appears to be a race to the lowest common denominator, back to the feudal system, where the rich will own all the assets and the workers will always rent.
A couple of weeks ago a suggestion in Parliament was to give overseas companies big tax breaks to build rental tenements, it was only a few years ago we were knocking them down, because of the social problems those slums bred.
Funny old world at the moment.

Brownlie Towers went from being a utopian paradise to a hotbed of crime

The housing complex in Perth promised so much, but it soon degenerated into a notorious ghetto of crime and violence that left a lasting impact on its former residents.

www.abc.net.au

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Well, it's pretty tough to know what to do.

If you build places like that you need to vet the clients and make sure that they appreciate what they have got and will look after it.

I'd say it wasn't particularly well policed. You need a strong building management team that can throw tenants out if they break the rules.

SirRumpole said:

Well, it's pretty tough to know what to do.

If you build places like that you need to vet the clients and make sure that they appreciate what they have got and will look after it.

I'd say it wasn't particularly well policed. You need a strong building management team that can throw tenants out if they break the rules.

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That would be a whole new concept in Australia, we are constantly limiting the strength of tenancy rules, I just can't see how this is all going to work out.
Mass immigration from a multitude of cultures, sounds great, but it remains to be seen if it is successful.
Lots of things going on at the moment and not many of them are looking likely to be ending on a happy note.
Maybe another recession we have to have, who knows.

Tenancy rules are never as straight forward as so many of us would suggest.
I have seen both sides of this matter.
Tenants that trash places, set up drug dens, conduct illegal activities, drive neighbours insane etc etc.
There are tenants who demand things be fixed after the tenant themselves have broken these same things.
Happens all the time, and there are numerous people who know how to work the system.
On the other hand, I know of landlords who have and still do, treat tenants like money making fodder.
Places that are uninhabitable but still let out for huge sums of money because the tenants are desperate for many reasons.
Landlords that refuse to fix faults that are not the fault of the tenant.
Unsafe repairs done on the cheap by unlicensed tradies, harassing tenants to force them to break a lease so they can rent it out a higher level.
Landlords that want under the table cash kickbacks before a tenant is allowed to sign a lease.
It is almost impossible to get the right balance between landlord and tenant.
The two sides have directly competing interests.
Despite that, there are thousands of landlord/tenant arrangements that are fair to both parties, but you will never hear about them because they make for boring media.
Mick

mullokintyre said:

The two sides have directly competing interests.
Despite that, there are thousands of landlord/tenant arrangements that are fair to both parties, but you will never hear about them because they make for boring media.
Mick

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That situation usually exists when both parties are in a good space, the Landlord is getting a fair return on equity for their property and the tenant is paying a fair and reasonable rent.

I'm not convinced. either of those parameters, are easy to meet at the moment and if unemployment increases as expected I don't foresee an improvement.

Hopefully things improve, being in W.A when a mining sector gets hammered, it does tend invoke a feeling of gloom.

sptrawler said:

That would be a whole new concept in Australia, we are constantly limiting the strength of tenancy rules, I just can't see how this is all going to work out.
Mass immigration from a multitude of cultures, sounds great, but it remains to be seen if it is successful.
Lots of things going on at the moment and not many of them are looking likely to be ending on a happy note.
Maybe another recession we have to have, who knows.

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The real cost of mass immigration, particularly low skilled immigrants. This is a video from the UK but the exact same factors apply to this country.

wayneL said:

The real cost of mass immigration, particularly low skilled immigrants. This is a video from the UK but the exact same factors apply to this country.

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Absolutely, the thing I don't understand is why, unless it is a premeditated Govt decision, to make all countries reach the lowest common denominator.
There is a moral obligation for all of us to help those less fortunate, but there is also a moral obligation on those that avail themselves of that kindness,to try and make a positive contribution to the country they settle in.
Not just have children and place ever increasing strain on the welfare system, if that becomes the modus operandi, then all countries end up as third world countries.