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Hello Pixel, I know what you mean. I was, um, just being a Kiwi which I will always be at heart: New Zealanders are some of the most hospitable and friendly in the world which is why I had a little hissy fit about your suggesting such a characteristic was "uniquely Australian".

Well, Julia:
All the nice Kiwis - and I agree, there are many of those - are considered Aussies anyway. (unless they beat us in Rugby or Cricket, but that's a rare event, so hardly counts.)

Still have to find a time slot to visit NZ - Mrs P would love to spend a few months holidaying there.

 

[RandR]

Hello Pixel, I know what you mean. I was, um, just being a Kiwi which I will always be at heart: New Zealanders are some of the most hospitable and friendly in the world which is why I had a little hissy fit about your suggesting such a characteristic was "uniquely Australian".

Hey Julia, want to know why New Zealand has never made it to the moon ?



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they dont have enough scaffolding to get there ;p

You won't be so proud to be an Australian when, not if, Australia becomes an Islamic state. Then you will get your wish for a new flag.
Thank God I won't be around when it happens.

1. Australia will not become an Islamic state .... to suggest so is just a touch slightly crazy imo ... time to take off your tin foil hat perhaps.

2. I have never expressed a wish for a new flag. Why are you saying I am ?

3. Thank God ! Pray tell me what the difference is between god and allah ? Is one religion acceptable to you and another not ?

4. Dont dare tell me when or not if I can be proud to be Australian.

 

[noco]

Hey Julia, want to know why New Zealand has never made it to the moon ?



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they dont have enough scaffolding to get there ;p



1. Australia will not become an Islamic state .... to suggest so is just a touch slightly crazy imo ... time to take off your tin foil hat perhaps.

2. I have never expressed a wish for a new flag. Why are you saying I am ?

3. Thank God ! Pray tell me what the difference is between god and allah ? Is one religion acceptable to you and another not ?

4. Dont dare tell me when or not if I can be proud to be Australian.

I hope you are young enough to be able to eat your words.

It all depends whether you believe in God or Allah. Nobody has yet proved they exist.

Being a leftist sheep follower, I reckon you would have to agree to a new flag whether you liked it or not.

Yeah R & R, I'm a proud Australian third generation and have three generations after me, but I fear what sort of a life they will have down the track. We already have an Australian born Muslim saying Gillard is an illegal government and should move aside to allow sharia law to be introduced.

 

[RandR]

I hope you are young enough to be able to eat your words.

Noco, im 23. If your posts are truthful you would be 80yrs plus, as i remember you talking about growing up in the 30's. If that is true i understand that you have grown up in a world entirely different to the one i have grown up in, and have been taught things that would seem strange to me, as i have been taught things that would surely seem strange to you.

I can quite confidently assure you, Australia will not become an Islamic State mate, honestly .

Being a leftist sheep follower, I reckon you would have to agree to a new flag whether you liked it or not.

Here we go again, you dare think you have the right to tell me what I believe ? Based on some stereotypical crap ? Btw ... im not a leftist. I am my own person, i think independently on issues and come to conclusions based upon my feelings and attitudes, not pre-subscribed leftist/rightist nonsense.

Yeah R & R, I'm a proud Australian third generation and have three generations after me, but I fear what sort of a life they will have down the track. We already have an Australian born Muslim saying Gillard is an illegal government and should move aside to allow sharia law to be introduced.

I too, fear the life me and any future generations of people will have down the track, because our lives are entirely unsustainable.

Providing one example of a crazy idiot who happens to be a muslim proves absolutely nothing....

Because I can provide you with countless examples of Australian Born fundamental christian sects who similarly believe they are above the law and governance of this country. (the brotherhood !)

I think its important that we distinguish these people for what they are, ie: there crazy assholes who quite obviously do not represant the population at large.

 

[Wysiwyg]

That is because the term Australian has a weak basis.
An Australian, on the other hand, does not have a distinct language, has only minor cultural distinctions (non-distinct diets, religions, customs etc), and very low nativity of ancestors. The reality is that looking for 'what is Australian' is always going to be clutching at straws.

Summed up well.

The man who likes multiple cultures was quite happy with the world before this new abomination called 'multi-culturalism'. He could travel to all the countries and their cultures, un-mixed, and enjoy their uniqueness. Good luck to him doing that now.

Yes I agree. I don't see how the whole tribe can integrate while having completely different ideologies. Matter of fact they don't or can't psychologically integrate due to language, customs, dress, fear, paranoia. A lion and a tiger are both cats but they don't live together.

What is possible I think is an integration of like minded races.

 

[noco]

Noco, im 23. If your posts are truthful you would be 80yrs plus, as i remember you talking about growing up in the 30's. If that is true i understand that you have grown up in a world entirely different to the one i have grown up in, and have been taught things that would seem strange to me, as i have been taught things that would surely seem strange to you.

I can quite confidently assure you, Australia will not become an Islamic State mate, honestly .



Here we go again, you dare think you have the right to tell me what I believe ? Based on some stereotypical crap ? Btw ... im not a leftist. I am my own person, i think independently on issues and come to conclusions based upon my feelings and attitudes, not pre-subscribed leftist/rightist nonsense.



I too, fear the life me and any future generations of people will have down the track, because our lives are entirely unsustainable.

Providing one example of a crazy idiot who happens to be a muslim proves absolutely nothing....

Because I can provide you with countless examples of Australian Born fundamental christian sects who similarly believe they are above the law and governance of this country. (the brotherhood !)

I think its important that we distinguish these people for what they are, ie: there crazy assholes who quite obviously do not represant the population at large.

Well, firstly you have a lot of living and learning ahead of you my boy to realise what is happening around you.
I have a very good article written by Nonie Darwish a Muslim woman born in Egypt, unfortuneatly I cannot at this stage provide a link.
She recently authored the book, A CRUEL and USUAL PUNISHMENT: The TERRIFYING GLOBAL IMPLICATIONS OF ISLAMIC LAW.

Herewith are a couple of passages she writes:-

In the Muslim faith a man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with child, cosummating the marriage by 9. The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.

In twenty years there will be enough Muslims voters in the US. to elect the President by themselves! Rest assured they will do so...You can look at how they have taken over sveral towns in the USA..Dearborn Mich. is one...and there are others.

For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world.Western civilization will be destroyed. Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual. Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world.

 

[Logique]

...Eureka flag - my preference for it may surprise some, but I think the BLF and AWU just borrowed the Eureka flag. They don't and never did own it.
It's time we re-appropriated it for the nation. The national flag is there staring us in the face, the penny just needs to drop... it begs the rhetorical absurdism, in this case [the current flag] why wouldn't you have the Chinese flag in the corner.

Ah the annual barney about the flag. I haven't changed my mind, we must transition to the Eureka Flag, you know it makes sense. If we must retain the current flag, the Chinese flag is more relevant to have in the corner. Anyway I've got the lamb in for tomorrow.

 

[Julia]

I've been amused and a bit exasperated to read accounts by journalists that those people who attach the Australian flag to their cars around the time of Australia Day are likely to be racist!

For heaven's sake Why can't they just be ordinary Australians celebrating the fact that they live in one of the best countries in the world.
I'm bewildered by the apparent intention of parts of the media to see discrimination where none necessarily exists.

 

[sptrawler]

I've been amused and a bit exasperated to read accounts by journalists that those people who attach the Australian flag to their cars around the time of Australia Day are likely to be racist!

For heaven's sake Why can't they just be ordinary Australians celebrating the fact that they live in one of the best countries in the world.
I'm bewildered by the apparent intention of parts of the media to see discrimination where none necessarily exists.

What cracked me up Julia, was that the survey was conducted by a few U.W.A people on a sample of 540 interviews.
Wow that's conclusive and how easy, with such a small sample, to select by 'appearance' for the desired outcome.
What I don't understand is why newspaper editors don't do their job a stamp out crap reporting.

 

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What cracked me up Julia, was that the survey was conducted by a few U.W.A people on a sample of 540 interviews.
Wow that's conclusive and how easy, with such a small sample, to select by 'appearance' for the desired outcome.
What I don't understand is why newspaper editors don't do their job a stamp out crap reporting.

What cracked me up even more was another "coincidence"; see if you can spot it:

sociologist and anthropologist Professor Farida Fozdar and a team of assistants surveyed 513 people at the Australia Day fireworks on Perth's Swan River foreshore last year to find out whether there was a link between car flag flying and racist attitudes

Anyway, if it's been "researched" a year ago, why rake the muck back up now? What could possibly be the objective of this article? http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...aussie-car-flags/story-e6freooo-1226251987498

Let's leave it there; I've got to go and put those Aussie flags on my car. Maybe take Logique's advice and cut out the top-left corner. Anybody got a matching red sheet with one big and 4 little golden stars?

 

[bellenuit]

What I found infuriating was the assumption of racism on the answers to some questions where there may have been none at all. Take this question as reported in the above link:

Professor Fozdar said the team found that of the 102 people surveyed on the day who had attached flags to their cars for the national holiday, 43 per cent agreed with the statement that the now-abandoned “White Australia Policy” had “saved Australia from many problems experienced by other countries”.

She said that only 25 per cent of people who did not fly Australia car flags agreed with the statement.

Under the “White Australia Policy”, which was non-official government policy until after World War II, non-Europeans were barred from migrating to Australia.

I could certainly agree with the statement the “White Australia Policy” had “saved Australia from many problems experienced by other countries” and still at the same time not support the White Australia policy.

There are clearly problems in many non-white immigrant ethnic communities, just as there are in white immigrant communities. By definition the problems in non-white immigrant ethnic communities would not exist if there were no non-white immigrant ethnic communities, which would be the case if the White Australia Policy was not dropped. That is just a statement of fact. But that doesn't mean that there were no benefits to dropping the White Australia Policy. We have a far more interesting country and many appreciate the diversity.

The researchers are assuming that agreeing to the statement implies that the responder supports the White Australia Policy. They have no right to make that assumption.

 

[todster]

This place is turning into Facebook for over 50s

 

[Glen48]

Read some where think nine news that waving the Oz flag means you are racist.
Most wouldn't know the difference between NZ, the Poms and ours time for a new one.
Maybe the feds can spend a few mil and get one of their own to do a study tripping around the world looking and call the survey "Flagon"

 

[wayneL]

Good question, Julia;
the answer may be only my own personal experience:
"In no other country - and I've been to quite a few - have I found the same openness, coupled with irreverence, that I've found in Australians."
Sadly though, we're catching up with the rest of the world. Where not so long ago we left a door unlocked so friends could come in even when we were out, we now need not only locks deadbolted on doors and windows, but security systems that are monitored 24x7.

I've not found that at all.

I've lived in Canada, USA, Aus, England and now NZ and don't find Aussies much different to the rest... just a different style.

In fact the best place in the world I've been where you can walk into a place alone and most likely end up the night with a group of new friends is Bavaria in southern Germany... followed by the good old English pub.

Canadians are also particularly friendly ('cept the Quebecois ).

 

[breaker]

and peter garrett with invasion day

 

[Tink]

I think its gone over the top all the Australian flags on cars etc that we see today.

I suppose each to their own, I am not a flag waver.

I would say its built up the last 5 or so years

 

[Logique]

This place is turning into Facebook for over 50s

Seriously, I think you actually want to be reported Todster. You may get your wish, since an ASF mods tribunal appearance can't be far away for you.

 

[todster]

Seriously, I think you actually want to be reported Todster. You may get your wish, since an ASF mods tribunal appearance can't be far away for you.

Seriously an international furore over a survey of 540 people get a grip mate.

 

[Calliope]

I think its gone over the top all the Australian flags on cars etc that we see today.

I suppose each to their own, I am not a flag waver.

I would say its built up the last 5 or so years

They are not racist...just morons. Have a look at some of those with flags painted on their moronic faces.

 

[IFocus]

Ah the annual barney about the flag. I haven't changed my mind, we must transition to the Eureka Flag, you know it makes sense. If we must retain the current flag, the Chinese flag is more relevant to have in the corner. Anyway I've got the lamb in for tomorrow.

Ah so you support the workers / union movement after all............