skc
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hi guys,
like many here, enjoying following this thread.
anyone using ib for their pairtrading? I'm using mqprime's cfds currently but am keen to move across for a number of reasons, not the least being significantly lower commisisions.
if you are using ib, do you use stocks or cfds (i assume these are the asx exchange traded ones..) ?
thanks,
drew.
thanks skc, thats what i was after. I had heard there isn't much liquidity with asx cfds.
two more for you:
- if you use ib for the long leg, what do you use for the short leg?
- does ib only offer 50% on overnight positions? (i have looked on the ib site for margin rates on aus stocks but can't say i came away with a definitive answer..)
hadn't really thought about mixing platforms ie mqprime cfds for shorts, ib for longs.
I use IG DMA for short leg.
As with IB margins - I am actually a bit vague on that also. I never really had to worry about it as I rarely borrow anything close to 10% of my account.
am i reading this right - IG commissions 0.1% with $8 minimum for DMA? not bad for the small time trader.
thanks again for your assistance.
PT I've also emailed Jared the same questions..
1. Do you have a list of say top 50 proven (over time) reliably
correlated ASX pairs ?
Also there's a lot of critical decision making and it's hard to make a
call on some trades..
for instance ..
I'm getting strong negative deviation signals for BEN (a small bank)
whose share price is strengthening relative to QBE (an insurance
company which has had a recent announcement that it's buying a stake
and rescuing a heavily indebted company Elders - i see this as a
positive but the market doesn't agree)
My thought process is .. it's a smaller bank vs a leading insurance
company ,, both in the finacial sector but nevertheless very different
areas.
there's also the recent announcement with QBE which should have
possibly been received positively by the market, but wasn't?
These stocks could now be diverging for the longer term rather than
deviating from their previously correlated mean - and so becoming
unpredictable ?
So ..
2. How do you pick the best pair trades .. and distinguish between a
good/reliably predictable trade and a new longer term divergence which could throw all the past correlation data and a prior predictable correlation out the window ?
Also we're approaching/entering right now the current Full Year
reporting season with a lot of surprises in store .. so what happens
to past correlation data - is that going to be relevant going forward
post reporting ?
3. Is it safe to pair trade right now during the reporting season? ..
and if not when is the best time ?
cooper1308 we are in the reporting season so my point is there will be a lot of pair trade arbs coming up
Again, it will be the catalyst for long/short, not arbs..........as news(fresh or imminent) would inevitably now be a catalyst for arbs.
i.e. Can you still find reliable pair trades right now ? .. if not when should pair trading resume.
thanks cooper
I understand the difference between the 2 trades - but this forum is about stat arbs - and that's what I'm concentrating on here.
I guess I'm essentially questioning the relevance of the correlation data as it's looking back over an extended period - in view of the fact that the latest earnings report and even a single price sensitive recent announcement can throw an instant spanner in the works.
So there may be pairs that are given a strong 80 or 90% correlation by the software program that may essentially be no longer correlated... and should no longer even be considered a pair.
How do we determine which pairs indeed remain correlated and to what extent?
And even if you are not trading during this reporting season as you say, how do you determine the
best correlated pairs and the relevance of the data when you do start to trade again - as you would still be largely looking at past correlation data - that's inescapable.
thanks cooper
I understand the difference between the 2 trades - but this forum is about stat arbs - and that's what I'm concentrating on here.
in view of the fact that the latest earnings report and even a single price sensitive recent announcement can throw an instant spanner in the works.
So there may be pairs that are given a strong 80 or 90% correlation by the software program that may essentially be no longer correlated... and should no longer even be considered a pair.
How do we determine which pairs indeed remain correlated and to what extent?
And even if you are not trading during this reporting season as you say, how do you determine the
best correlated pairs and the relevance of the data when you do start to trade again - as you would still be largely looking at past correlation data - that's inescapable.
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