websman
Illogical Vulcan
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HUH??????????
A more serious question.What freedoms are Americans afraid of losing-especially under the Obama government?
But generally under any US government .
Here's the deal folks.... You can either fight for your freedoms, or you can just lay down, and let a dictator tell you what to do. I enjoy my freedom, and will defend it to the end. If you don't like the way America does things, then you can kiss my southern grits.
We don't have freedoms, we have privileges. We're free to do what we want, as long as the government allows it. We have rights, for as long as the government chooses to allow them.
Whoa there J!!
There are two types of liberties, positive and negative. What you describe is positive liberty. That is the system whereby everything is banned unless explicitly allowed. This is the system of Napoleonic law as practised in Mainland Europe. That is not English common law.
Anglo countries operate under the principle of negative freedom, that is, everything is allowed unless explicitly banned.
Privileges? Like f~~~ing hell!!!
We have freedom, unless we continue to allow our totalitarian wet-dreamers to gradually turn our negative liberty into positive liberty. If Australians allow that thorough ignorance and apathy, they no longer deserve the mantle of a great people and a great nation. It will be one of a mob of subjugated also-rans.
Don't f~~~ing stand for this "we have privileges" nonsense. That's sheeple talk!
.....If you don't like the way America does things, then you can kiss my southern grits.
In a sense, I agree with that version of what you are saying...I admit I like to cause a stir. My point is that we're not free, and the government (and other powers in society) have control over us. We're free to do as we like, as long as the government considers it acceptable. Naturally, all acceptable actions are taxed and controlled if possible, or allowed to keep the people happy, to keep us controlled.
mmmAl Qeada didn't like the way America did things either....
But they didnt mess around with kissing your grits....
They just got on with it.
Independence
See also: Transitional period (East Timor)
Following a UN-sponsored agreement between Indonesia, Portugal and the United States and a surprise decision by the Indonesian President B. J. Habibie, a UN-supervised popular referendum was held on August 30, 1999, to choose between Special Autonomy within Indonesia and independence. 78.5% of voters chose independence, but violent clashes, instigated primarily by elements within the Indonesian military and aided by Timorese pro-Indonesia militias led by Eurico Guterres, broke out soon afterwards.
A peacekeeping force (INTERFET led by Australia) intervened to restore order. The militias fled across the border into Indonesian West Timor, from which sporadic armed raids were attempted. As these raids were repelled and international moral opinion forced Indonesia to withdraw tacit support,[citation needed] the militias dispersed. INTERFET was replaced by a UN force of International Police, the mission became known as UNTAET, and the UNTAET Crime Scene Detachment was formed to investigate alleged atrocities. UNTAET was headed by the late Sérgio Vieira de Mello as UN Transitional Administrator from December 1999 to May 2002.
Here is the statement, as translated by BBC Monitoring:
"In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, from the slave of God, Osama Bin Laden, to the peoples of the countries allied with the tyrannical US Government:
May God's peace be upon those who follow the right path. The road to safety begins by ending the aggression.
Reciprocal treatment is part of justice.
"I mention in particular Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Germany and Australia.
We warned Australia before not to join in [the war] in Afghanistan, and [against] its despicable effort to separate East Timor.
It ignored the warning until it woke up to the sounds of explosions in Bali."
Al Qeada didn't like the way America did things either....
But they didnt mess around with kissing your grits....
They just got on with it.
In a sense, I agree with that version of what you are saying...
...and it drives me insane with rage. During my recent hiatus from ASF I was the member of a Classical Liberal think-tank. You don't know half of what is going on to erode traditional liberties.
F-ck Al Qeada! It's just a matter of time before we blow those S.O.B.'s off the map!
Surely, you don't THINK that the World Trade Center bombing was funny, do you? If so, you are one sick S.O.B. yourself!!! A lot of innocent people died that day...IT'S NOTHING TO JOKE ABOUT!!!
Yes, because bombs can destroy belief. A lot of 'innocent' people die every day - somewhere between 100k and 200k. 911 was just a drop in the bucket.
I realised a while ago that I just don't care as long as I have a good quality of life.
Al Quada has no problems with killing innocent people. If they are not stopped, the killing will continue. Unfortunately, that means killing them first.
Treading on shakey ground with these issues. Interesting to discuss, but tread carefully.Apparently neither does the US government. They've killed more innocents than Al Qaeda could ever dream of killing. No, I'm not making an anti-US statement, just putting Al Qaeda's performance in perspective.
I agree, but I also look after myself, not society. I'm not against fighting or living outside the system, and will have no hesitation to do so if my standard of living falls to an unacceptable level.
Apparently neither does the US government. They've killed more innocents than Al Qaeda could ever dream of killing. No, I'm not making an anti-US statement, just putting Al Qaeda's performance in perspective.
Treading on shakey ground with these issues. Interesting to discuss, but tread carefully.
you're pushing some buttons here too websman.Sounds like he's trying to push my button....
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