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Of course you are right, the unions have to play their part, but imo a condition of any government assistance to Arrium should be that the current management depart the scene without any bonuses and repay half their salaries over the last 5 years as their decisions got the company into trouble in the first place.
There's a few things that just about every business has as input costs.
Real estate (either buildings or just land), energy (particularly electricity, in some cases also gas), transport, labour, communications, financial services.
Over the past 20 - 25 years we've implemented policies (state and federal) which have thrown away the energy cost advantage we once had. First it was electricity but now gas is getting costly too. What should be a national asset, we've got just about every energy resource in our own backyard and were once highly competitive, is now a liability.
Real estate prices have gone through the roof that is well known.
Our interest rates are high by global standards.
Transport we have a natural disadvantage due to distance, compounded by lack of investment into strategic transport options (eg rail) so as to protect established operators (trucking, airlines) and then doing at unnecessarily high cost what investment we do make (eg private toll roads built at high cost and then needing to make a profit on top of that).
Communications we're way down the list of that one in terms of internet speeds and so on and we're not cheap either.
Add all the above together and it's inevitably we'll be uncompetitive with labour costs too. With workers paying such huge costs to simply live in Australia, wages need to be high.
It's pretty hard to run a business, any business, that competes in global markets when all of your key input costs are high when compared to competitors. If it was just transport (due to distance) or just gas prices then most businesses could work around just one problem, but once you add in high costs for everything else then it's no-go.
We're in for tough times once someone wakes up and realises that shuffling houses and digging holes isn't going to sustain Australia economically in the long term. We haven't got just one problem to fix, it's pretty much everything.
Who's to blame?
Energy - state governments initially but in more recent times the Australian Government has done pretty much everything it can to push things the wrong way.
Real estate - governments at all levels let it get out of hand and in many cases encouraged it. Deregulation of finance is surely a factor there (Australian government).
Interest rates - well they have to be high if we're to attract enough capital to keep the housing bubble going whilst productive industry fails.
Transport - natural factors are unavoidable but state and federal governments have added to the problems.
Communications - Australian Government.
Labour - Unions play a role, but if house prices are going to the moon then it's inevitable that workers will want higher rates of pay. Labour cost is both a cause and a symptom of the bigger problems.
How to fix it? I really can't see any solution that doesn't first require a major recession, asset price falls (especially housing) and a conscious decision to focus on making Australia economically competitive. That will require a reversal of many previous policy decisions. We need cheap energy not "competition". We need affordable housing not a "boom". We need economical transport not guaranteed profits for a few. We need modern internet that's affordable and actually built. We need wage restraint but it has to be in the context of also restraining costs, particularly housing. We need the banks kept in check not fueling bubbles. Etc.
There's a few things that just about every business has as input costs.
Real estate (either buildings or just land), energy (particularly electricity, in some cases also gas), transport, labour, communications, financial services.
Over the past 20 - 25 years we've implemented policies (state and federal) which have thrown away the energy cost advantage we once had. First it was electricity but now gas is getting costly too. What should be a national asset, we've got just about every energy resource in our own backyard and were once highly competitive, is now a liability.
Real estate prices have gone through the roof that is well known.
Our interest rates are high by global standards.
Transport we have a natural disadvantage due to distance, compounded by lack of investment into strategic transport options (eg rail) so as to protect established operators (trucking, airlines) and then doing at unnecessarily high cost what investment we do make (eg private toll roads built at high cost and then needing to make a profit on top of that).
Communications we're way down the list of that one in terms of internet speeds and so on and we're not cheap either.
Add all the above together and it's inevitably we'll be uncompetitive with labour costs too. With workers paying such huge costs to simply live in Australia, wages need to be high.
It's pretty hard to run a business, any business, that competes in global markets when all of your key input costs are high when compared to competitors. If it was just transport (due to distance) or just gas prices then most businesses could work around just one problem, but once you add in high costs for everything else then it's no-go.
We need economical transport not guaranteed profits for a few.
I don't know where you derived your figures from but I would suggest you are way out from What I have learned....Can you quote a link or provide some statistics?......I think you are talking about some overseas steel mills.
So are you trying to tell me the unions have played no part in Arrium's downfall with their $160,000 salaries...High wages, high power costs and overseas competition is enough to send any corporation down the drain.
One would think with all the natural resources of coal and iron ore we should be competitive.
Tisme tried con me into believing those steel workers were on some ridiculous $26 per hour, then he realized they were quotes from Shanghai back in 2011....He then gave me some **** and bull story about Shanghai being used as a comparison and then it had to be indexed......LMAO.
No con Noco, you need to look at these things without the blinkers. I'll let you figure it out yourself.
And before you go off on your usual hate rants, the unions have probably caused me more heartache than you will ever dream of.
BTW Sky News is a Liberal Party hack c/- Murdoch
BTW Sky News is a Liberal Party hack c/- Murdoch
Tisme, you have been caught with your pants down.......I have well and truly figured it out and you as well.......You know you don't have the answers so stop trying to wriggle out from down under.
What has American steel and China steel got to do with the high rates of pay workers receive at Arrium.
Both the US and China subsidise their steel and other industries and we are fools if we try to compete with them on a level playing field.
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Both the US and China subsidise their steel and other industries and we are fools if we try to compete with them on a level playing field.
Free Trade agreements are frauds, negotiated by Andrew Robb for the farmers while leaving the rest of our economy ripe for the picking, and also exposing our smaller farmers to cheap imports.
The only people who will benefit from these FTA's are a few very big agri businesses, the rest will find they are being dumped on in their own markets here by subsidised foreign manufacturers and farmers.
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There are two steel companies in Australia. One is very profitable the other one is broke. How is the profitability of Bluescope explained if things are so dire?
There's still plenty of it around in various forms.Which is exactly what protectionism created across the whole economy. Bloody awful. We'd be well and truly screwed if we went back down that road.
There's a few things that just about every business has as input costs.
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But there are no job in Adelaide. RE price there should be compared to Detroit maybe ?There are two steel companies in Australia. One is very profitable the other one is broke. How is the profitability of Bluescope explained if things are so dire? Is it not possible that bad businesses go broke, as has been the case since Jesus was playing fullback for Bethlehem?
I don't believe all the hype about Australia's insanely high cost of living. Sydney and Melbourne are expensive, but not compared to other global cities. Places like Adelaide have a CoL similar to second or third tier cities in America (Denver/Atlanta etc)
Tisme, you have been caught with your pants down.......I have well and truly figured it out and you as well.......You know you don't have the answers so stop trying to wriggle out from down under.
What has American steel and China steel got to do with the high rates of pay workers receive at Arrium.
Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.... Socrates
I'm not too sure about the marching of age and what it does to some people's minds, but giving it over, wholesale, to a spit and vitriol co operative of the sly and dodgy escapes me.
Yes, the blame game again, totally ignoring the strategic need for a steel industry producing a quality product at a reasonable price.
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