Are you willing to give up meat, fish and dairy?

[Glen48]

My animals are cared and loved, killed on site
Sounds like Son of Sam
Me I am a cereal killer Corn flakers yes please

 

[motorway]

Interesting.

But I would be interested in the health effects of wild versus farmed animals.

It is feed lot animals that are the concern . pasture raised in the sunshine farmed animals are fine. Type 2 Diabetic Grain fed animals ?

I don't want a grain fed chook ! ( As the packaging proudly informs me )
I want one that has gorged itself on grubs and slugs and worms ( and the odd mouse ! )
Running around again in the SUNSHINE ... With some fresh green pick !

In terms of Health imo Yudkin was right and Keys was wrong.
Google It !

I have tested this and seen the results ..



ALSO --> http://virtual.yosemite.cc.ca.us/ottej/PDF/diamond.pdf

what did she say 60 mil Bison ? Vs 40 mil feedlot cattle !
I wonder how many Kangaroo and Emu were running around in Australia in 1788 !
And what did we do ?

Motorway

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Yes Logique, I am now aware of his background so I've been doing a little research on the subject.
I've found another couple of references.

http://reasonstogovegan.com/view-all-reasons/

http://www.peta.org/living/vegetarian-living/top-10-reasons-to-go-vegan-in-the-new-year.aspx

Although I did find this Peta poster showing a model wrapped in nothing more than lettuce leaves.
Not sure if this is appropriate marketing...

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Thanks Solly,

Most of these vegan jokers are like this model, with French implants in need of removing.

Give me an oyster starter, a steak, chips and greens, and an Irish Coffee to finish and I'm in heaven, followed if lucky by a lass without implants or Balmain basketweaver sensibilities.

gg

 

[Solly]

Interesting.

But I would be interested in the health effects of wild versus farmed animals.

Yes that interview was informative.

What about this Vegan....

 

[DB008]

PETA

People
East
Tasty
Animals

 

[prawn_86]

If there were "only" 1 billion of us then we just wouldn't have issues with over fishing, running out of oil, CO2 emissions and all the rest. It's the scale that causes the problems, not the activity per se.

Totally agree.

As i have said numerous times, in about 2000 i watched a Meet The Press speech and i wish i could remember who is was by, but he said that the World can suastain 2 -3 billion in a Western lifestyle. Everyhting he said made total sense, and still does...

 

[Solly]

Thanks Solly,

Most of these vegan jokers are like this model, with French implants in need of removing.

Give me an oyster starter, a steak, chips and greens, and an Irish Coffee to finish and I'm in heaven, followed if lucky by a lass without implants or Balmain basketweaver sensibilities.

gg

GG

I'm sure you must have had some pure (liquid) vegan evenings at the Ross River

But have a look at this 72 year old Vegan, FTW !

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

GG

I'm sure you must have had some pure (liquid) vegan evenings at the Ross River

But have a look at this 72 year old Vegan, FTW !

Sorry Solly,

My Stratfor Adviser has directed me not to open any youtubes with pictures of 70 yo male vegans possibly about to show their buttocks.

Poor ole Malcolm Turnbull's Amex Card has been hijacked by the son of an old mate of mine from Magnetic Island, via Stratfor.

One cannot be too careful.

gg

 

[LifeChoices]

I think I will be convinced to give up meat in the near future. I don't have the same feelings towards seafood though.

What I'm saying is that I enjoy eating meat, but if I think hard enough about how we mistreat nature - it sickens me that I am a participant of this process. I couldn't watch this full film, and I doubt many of you could either - what I saw of it still haunts me - I made it to 10 minutes.

If I could be more in control over the process of the food I eat, I'm sure I'd feel much better about being a meat eater.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I think I will be convinced to give up meat in the near future. I don't have the same feelings towards seafood though.

What I'm saying is that I enjoy eating meat, but if I think hard enough about how we mistreat nature - it sickens me that I am a participant of this process. I couldn't watch this full film, and I doubt many of you could either - what I saw of it still haunts me - I made it to 10 minutes.

If I could be more in control over the process of the food I eat, I'm sure I'd feel much better about being a meat eater.

I would agree.

However some people also severely mistreat their veggies and fruit.

A neighbour of mine is quite cruel to his tomato plants.

gg

 

[LifeChoices]

I would agree.

However some people also severely mistreat their veggies and fruit.

A neighbour of mine is quite cruel to his tomato plants.

gg

Fruit and Vegetables don't have eyes.

 

[Solly]

I think I will be convinced to give up meat in the near future. I don't have the same feelings towards seafood though.

What I'm saying is that I enjoy eating meat, but if I think hard enough about how we mistreat nature - it sickens me that I am a participant of this process. I couldn't watch this full film, and I doubt many of you could either - what I saw of it still haunts me - I made it to 10 minutes.

If I could be more in control over the process of the food I eat, I'm sure I'd feel much better about being a meat eater.

LifeChoices

There are many vegans, vegetarians and 'flexitarians' for various reasons, in my field. Some I'm sure are because of vanity and as they say "a camera adds 10 pounds" and some for ethical / belief based reasons.

I remember many years ago asking one of the research assistants why she was vegan and why she didn't eat meat, her answer was quick and to the point and she responded "Because I don't need to".

S

 

[prawn_86]

If I could be more in control over the process of the food I eat, I'm sure I'd feel much better about being a meat eater.

It is possible, just a lot more expensive and time consuming. Make sure you buy meat either direct from the farmer or from a boutique butcher who knows how it is killed. Ask the butcher which properties their meat comes from and then research them.

I think if more people went down this route, than the vegan route, we would see a bigger shift towards sustainability and less animal cruelty. Same as how free range eggs are now the vast majority sold.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

It is possible, just a lot more expensive and time consuming. Make sure you buy meat either direct from the farmer or from a boutique butcher who knows how it is killed. Ask the butcher which properties their meat comes from and then research them.

I think if more people went down this route, than the vegan route, we would see a bigger shift towards sustainability and less animal cruelty. Same as how free range eggs are now the vast majority sold.

That is all very well for rich people , with plenty of time on their hands.

The average young mum or pensioner is either too busy or too poor to be able to afford the luxury of even visiting a "boutique butcher".

And I somehow doubt whether all the eggs sold as free range are in fact from chooks allowed run about a yard.

The rich are the only ones I know in favour of paying more for "boutique food".

As PJ O'Rourke said " Eat the rich "

gg

 

[Solly]

That is all very well for rich people , with plenty of time on their hands.

The average young mum or pensioner is either too busy or too poor to be able to afford the luxury of even visiting a "boutique butcher".

And I somehow doubt whether all the eggs sold as free range are in fact from chooks allowed run about a yard.

The rich are the only ones I know in favour of paying more for "boutique food".

As PJ O'Rourke said " Eat the rich "

gg

GG

You are correct about 'free range'.. in Aust there is no binding legal definition but there are voluntary standards. I have a source for this, I'll locate it on the sever and post later when I'm back in the suite.

S

 

[Solly]

GG

You are correct about 'free range'.. in Aust there is no binding legal definition but there are voluntary standards. I have a source for this, I'll locate it on the sever and post later when I'm back in the suite.

S

Here's an article from Fairfax re free range stocking definition.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/a...over-freerange-definition-20110914-1k9s9.html

Here are links from Egg Corp re definitions & vision of density stocking.

http://www.aecl.org/system/attachme...finitions 220711 - for website.pdf?1316405656

http://youtu.be/OpLCt5KHv7M

Looks a lot less crowded than the workers peak hour Bombay Express from Robina to Central !

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Here's an article from Fairfax re free range stocking definition.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/a...over-freerange-definition-20110914-1k9s9.html

Here are links from Egg Corp re definitions & vision of density stocking.

http://www.aecl.org/system/attachme...finitions 220711 - for website.pdf?1316405656

http://youtu.be/OpLCt5KHv7M

Looks a lot less crowded than the workers peak hour Bombay Express from Robina to Central !

Thanks mate, 20,000 hens per hectare doesn't fit with my idea of free range.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/a...over-freerange-definition-20110914-1k9s9.html

The Australian Egg Corporation, which represents most egg farmers, this week sent new draft standards to producers, which would allow a free-range egg farm to run as many as 20,000 chickens per hectare.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/a...-definition-20110914-1k9s9.html#ixzz1i6U3YcOV

Enclosed is a link to a Pommy farmer who got 3 years for mis-labelling eggs as being free range.

http://www.animalsaustralia.org/media/in_the_news.php?article=944

I have also had a "Barra"or three in Sussex St. and Darling Harbour when I was doing some consultancy work for the believers, and it tasted nothing like I've caught in the Bohle.

I reckon these vegans are probably eating more rubbish than I am if the truth be told.

gg

 

[ChrisJH]

I've been a vegan for over 7 years now, mostly because I don't agree with the mass slaughter and mistreatment of animals required for the cheap prices required for our current standard of living,

I have a 42 acre block with 3 to 5 steers, own vegie garden and chooks.
My animals are cared and loved, killed on site and provide my family with an healthy diet of red meat organic , not grain fed.

I am more in favour of this sort of diet than anything else, and firmly believe that for the majority of the population in our wealthy society at least that it is an entirely plausible and not incredibly costly option to choose free range and organic meats (and it's better for you).

 

[gav]

If you are an omnivore would now consider a change to your eating habits ?

Hell no. No one considers the feelings of the poor plants. But I am doing my bit to offset the balance started by the loony vegans (including my vegetarian fiancé). Each day I consume 1KG of meat (450g chicken, 350g tuna, 220g kangaroo)

 

[pixel]

Thanks mate, 20,000 hens per hectare doesn't fit with my idea of free range.

Same here, gg

Last time I looked, a hectare was 10,000 square metres; I wouldn't call two chooks imprisoned on the space of 9 floor tiles "free range" either.

But there's a much bigger problem: If the libertarians and right-to-lifers get their way, that's likely to become the future for humans! And that prospect scares it right out of me, making me grateful to know that my ashes will be fertilising some rose bushes or Banksia trees some time before then.
I trust that they won't mind if the chemical compounds that fertilse them have been constituents of grasses and grazing animals before me.