Another boatload of asylum seekers intercepted by Navy

Mofra · 23 April 2010

Calliope said:
Of course you would say that. You are just following the support group, advocacy, bleeding heart script. Do you think all people who can take a dispassionate view ( as opposed to your emotional view) of this problem are Xenophobes?

No, the only script followed here is your very-far right wing "all nonwhites are bad, m'kay" bleating with racial stereotypes mattered throughout your posts.

I doubt your generalised version of "bleeding hearts" would advocate slowing/stopping the tide, praising Howard's past efforts and solving the problem without resorting to an open door policy, but then again you have displayed a tendancy tend to skim, rather than read, anything that disagree with your "Andrew Bolt is soft" view of a situation.

Dispassionate view? You wouldn't recognise one - yours certainly isn't. To be honest, I am only reading your repsonses for comedic value, as otherwise they are simply a waste of bandwidth.

Calliope · 23 April 2010

Mofra said:
No, the only script followed here is your very-far right wing "all nonwhites are bad, m'kay" bleating with racial stereotypes mattered throughout your posts.

Whartever happened to the "nice" Mofra?

You shouldn't make ridiculous allegations that you can't support. Your abuse has racial overtones.

I doubt your generalised version of "bleeding hearts" would advocate slowing/stopping the tide, praising Howard's past efforts and solving the problem without resorting to an open door policy, but then again you have displayed a tendancy tend to skim, rather than read, anything that disagree with your "Andrew Bolt is soft" view of a situation.

What a lot of nonsense. Show me where I have ever praised Howard's efforts or even mentioned Howard in this context.

Dispassionate view? You wouldn't recognise one - yours certainly isn't. To be honest, I am only reading your repsonses for comedic value, as otherwise they are simply a waste of bandwidth.

All I have done is criticise your gullibility and tunnel vision. Your parting thrust also indicates childish immaturity...there is little honesty in you postings; just biased advocacy.

Happy · 23 April 2010

Back on subject, looks we’ve got another one.

Must be business or first class as only 9 passengers and 3 crew.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/23/2881070.htm?section=justin

ASYLUM SEEKERS STOPPED NEAR ASHMORE ISLANDS

A boat carrying asylum seekers has been stopped in waters north-west of Australia.
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Mofra · 23 April 2010

Calliope said:
Whartever happened to the "nice" Mofra?

I'm nice to everyone who deserves it and most of those who don't. Treating people the way they treat you after a while tends to work best for me.

Calliope said:
You shouldn't make ridiculous allegations that you can't support. Your abuse has racial overtones.

The only racial overtones on this thread thus far... are yours.

If you can find one convicted terrorist that has arrived in Australia by boat I'll be very surprised (you do remember your accusations don't you?)

Calliope said:
What a lot of nonsense. Show me where I have ever praised Howard's efforts or even mentioned Howard in this context

You accuse me of being a bleeding heart left winger, yet I've praised some of Howard's efforts on this thread. Not your average dread-locked Green Left Weekly knid of behavior is it?
Try to connect the dots.

Calliope said:
All I have done is criticise your gullibility and tunnel vision. Your parting thrust also indicates childish immaturity...there is little honesty in you postings; just biased advocacy.

Tunnel vision is your blind devotion to thinking the issue is simply black and white, and painting all those who disagree as "bleeding heart lefties".

Advocacy for a balanced approach in stamping out the problem and stating the problem is a complex one obviously doesn't fit in with your black and white view of the world. I can accept that, as long as you can accept that some people have a little more depth in their understanding of the complexity of certain issues.

Mofra · 23 April 2010

Happy said:
Must be business or first class as only 9 passengers and 3 crew.

The "lost fisherman" excuse?

I know quite a few on patrollies who used to hear that one a bit on the smaller boats.

Calliope · 23 April 2010

Mofra said:
The only racial overtones on this thread thus far... are yours.

If you can find one convicted terrorist that has arrived in Australia by boat I'll be very surprised (you do remember your accusations don't you?)

Reverse racism is your stock in trade.

What I said was;

I would hope that even a bleeding heart would want to weed out the criminals and terrorists.

Obviously I was wrong. You are in denial. You should stop inventing things that you wish I had said in order to denigrate me.

bunyip · 23 April 2010

Mofra said:
Surely people can recognise that Howard's greater successes in slowing the arrival rate came from agreements with our Northern neighbours as opposed to the PR exercise referred to as the "Pacific Solution"?

Well whatever Howard did to stop the invasion of boat people, I wish Rudd would show enough intelligence and common sense to do the same.

These illegals are costing us an absolute fortune. There are dozens of ways in which that money could be better spent.
Anyone whose worked with disadvantaged people, as I have, will be aware that the organisations who help them are woefully under-funded.
If we want to help people less fortunate than ourselves, there's unlimited scope for doing so right here in Australia. All it needs is a redirection of the money that's currently being frittered away on illegal immigrants.

Call it racist or inhumane or callous or whatever, but our first responsibility is to our own country and our own citizens, not to foreigners who come here illegally.

noco · 23 April 2010

Another boat load!!!!!!!!! Shhhhhhhhhhh don't say it too loud.

But then again, the people of Derby are rubbing their hands together for its raining money from the good Lord Kevvie in heaven.

Chris45 · 23 April 2010

bunyip said:
These illegals are costing us an absolute fortune.

I agree with your comments but I bet they're considering this as just another way of helicoptering money into the economy.

Calliope · 23 April 2010

bunyip said:
Call it racist or inhumane or callous or whatever, but our first responsibility is to our own country and our own citizens, not to foreigners who come here illegally.

Mofra obviously has double standards. On one hand he claims he has praised Howard's efforts to keep the illegals out.

On the other hand he does everything in his power to attract them. He will even stoop to branding white Australians who object to this encouragement of illegal aliens as racists.

I don't think native Australians would be too happy about their preferential treatment either, at a cost of around $85,000 per head before they even set foot in Australia. Their total funding is never divulged, but I'm sure it would be enough for an honest builder to erect a nice dwelling for a homeless Australian.

drsmith · 23 April 2010

This is not an issue of race but rather one of being able to effectively represent ourselves on the international stage and specifically how we defend our sovereignty.

Julia · 23 April 2010

Calliope said:
Mofra obviously has double standards. On one hand he claims he has praised Howard's efforts to keep the illegals out.

On the other hand he does everything in his power to attract them.

Or perhaps Mofra simply doesn't have a hard, black and white view, but rather considers that it's a very complex issue where it's sometimes difficult - with objectivity applied - not to seem to be ambivalent.

I just think it's oh so easy to be absolutely critical when sitting in a secure and comfortable position in a secure and comfortable country.

And, re asylum seekers from Afghanistan and Iraq, perhaps we have some obligation to them in view of Australia having been (and still being) part of the Coalition of the Willing which bombed the **** of these countries.

Calliope · 23 April 2010

Julia said:
Or perhaps Mofra simply doesn't have a hard, black and white view, but rather considers that it's a very complex issue where it's sometimes difficult - with objectivity applied - not to seem to be ambivalent.

I just think it's oh so easy to be absolutely critical when sitting in a secure and comfortable position in a secure and comfortable country.

And, re asylum seekers from Afghanistan and Iraq, perhaps we have some obligation to them in view of Australia having been (and still being) part of the Coalition of the Willing which bombed the **** of these countries.

Im afraid we will have to disagree on this one. I think Mofra is a self-righteous bigot.

I support bunyip's view i.e.

Call it racist or inhumane or callous or whatever, but our first responsibility is to our own country and our own citizens, not to foreigners who come here illegally.

I am not attracted to the tired old cliche that they come here to escape persecution. I have pointed out the flaws in this argument previously. As for Iraqis; the Shia, the Kurds and the Sunnis have been persecuting each other for hundreds of years. That is what they do. I don't think we have bombed them for some years. They get their kicks from bombing each other.

If Afghans feel they are persecuted by the Taliban they can join the Afghan army. If they feel they are being persecuted by us or the Americans they can always join the Taliban.

GumbyLearner · 23 April 2010

trainspotter said:
Just a thought .... Sri Lanka to Ashmore Reef is 4823.6 kms as the crow flies BUT Andaman & Nicobar Islands are only 1396.2 kms to Sri Lanka. Populated by Anglo Indian and Burmese cross cultures and is owned by India.

The Andaman & Nicobar Islands are a veritable Garden of Eden and a naturalist's heaven. The clean environment, roads, greenery as well as unpolluted fresh air attract all nature lovers. The tropical rain forests and waters of Bay of Bengal are the home of a vast collection of plant, animal and marine life. Topographically the islands are hilly in places fringed with coconut palm, covered with tropical jungle and interspersed with flat stretches of crescent shaped beaches. Adventure tourism like trekking, Island camping, snorkeling, SCUBA diving etc. and other water sports are the real attractions. A marvelous mix of nature's most precious delights, the Andaman & Nicobar Islands are a once in a lifetime holiday experience.

http://tourism.andaman.nic.in/touristspot.htm

Bugger this Australia place ........ I wanna go there !

Just checked out the link. That place looks bloody nice TS. Do you know what airlines fly there? I'm currently looking at a holiday destination for myself and the mrs. It would be great to know costs and any possible flight packages.

Cheers
Gumby

P.S Those beaches are bloody gorgeous

http://tourism.andaman.nic.in/beaches.htm

So_Cynical · 23 April 2010

Calliope said:
If Afghans feel they are persecuted by the Taliban they can join the Afghan army. If they feel they are being persecuted by us or the Americans they can always join the Taliban.

Page 6 of this thread and your openly encouraging Afghans to join the Taliban and thus kill Australians...Absolutely brilliant Calliope, give your self a big pat on your ANZAC back...your a star.

bunyip · 24 April 2010

So_Cynical said:
Page 6 of this thread and your openly encouraging Afghans to join the Taliban and thus kill Australians...Absolutely brilliant Calliope, give your self a big pat on your ANZAC back...your a star.

Calliope hasn't encouraged anyone to join anything - he's simply outlined the options available to them.

Calliope · 24 April 2010

bunyip said:
Calliope hasn't encouraged anyone to join anything - he's simply outlined the options available to them.

The illegals supporters and opportunists like S-C never let the truth get in the way of an opportunity to spread their hate of those critical of their agenda.

This guy So-Cynical never misses an opportunity to have a shot at me mainly because he sees me as a class enemy. If he were an Afghan he would most likely lean towards the Taliban

Now by some stretch of the imagination he thinks the Afghans can be influenced by a comment of mine.

To get back to more rational argument. It is my opinion that if Afghans and Iraqis thought we were responsible for their predicament, Australia is the last place they would flee to.

Lukas · 24 April 2010

Calliope said:
There's nothing that tugs at the heartstrings of a bleeding heart more than an illegal turning up on our doorstep and claiming asylum because he is fleeing persecution, although most of them find it safe enough to leave their families behind.

They are coming here for one reason only...we are a welfare state. They will go through or around safe haven (but poor) countries to get here.

"They are coming here for one reason only...we are a welfare state"
Can you provide evidence of this extreme theory?

Calliope · 24 April 2010

Lukas said:
"They are coming here for one reason only...we are a welfare state"
Can you provide evidence of this extreme theory?

It is obvious to anyone with half a brain. Other safe havens for Moslems, like Pakistan, Malaysia and Indonesia are not welfare states so these characters either go through them or around them.

Similarly, if Tamils think they are persecuted they can easily go the few miles to India just by catching a ferry. But India is not a welfare state.

They are indeed the privileged few who choose to come here but their outlay pays big dividends not available to less fortunate Australians.

Mofra · 24 April 2010

Calliope said:
Obviously I was wrong. You are in denial. You should stop inventing things that you wish I had said in order to denigrate me.

I don't need to denigrate you - you seem to be doing a great deal of that yourself.

We're going around in circles, so I'll leave it at that, and only respond to those who have something intelligent to say on the subjecy for now, cheers.

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