America's Foreign Policy On Libya

[Calliope]

What does America stand for? The world is waiting for Obama to adopt a statesman-like attitude to the great unrest going on around the world. America seems hopeless to influence in any way the upheavals in North Africa and the Middle East. Obama is not sure whether he is on the side of the dictators or the insurgents. Does America have any plans to deal with the fallout.

We know how powerless the Americans have been to influence North Korea, Iran or even the Somali pirates.

Egypt attracted little interest on the forum It is surprising that there is no thread on Libya even though it is having such a negative effect on the market.

[video]http://www.businessinsider.com/glenn-beck-libya-obama-speech-video-2011-2#ooid=UxM3gxMjofZpeUvrcJ6vCNqotEwTDVXk[/video]

 

[Tysonboss1]

It is surprising that there is no thread on Libra even though it is having such a negative effect on the market.

[video]http://www.businessinsider.com/glenn-beck-libya-obama-speech-video-2011-2#ooid=UxM3gxMjofZpeUvrcJ6vCNqotEwTDVXk[/video]

In what way is it a negative effect? No doubt It is having an effect on the markets, But whether it is positive or negative is subjective. So in your words, what is the negative effects? and how do they impact values of businesses 2 , 5 and 10years out from now?

 

[gordon2007]

What does America stand for? The world is waiting for Obama to adopt a statesman-like attitude to the great unrest going on around the world. /QUOTE]

Now if america gets involved then they get bashed for involving themselves in other countries business.

America, dambed if they do and damned if they don't.

 

[white_goodman]

umm whats America got to do with Libya?

you cant fall a little bit pregnant, either have them as a world police (not advisable) or nothing at all...

 

[gordon2007]

either have them as a world police (not advisable) or nothing at all...

Been saying that for years. It completely cracked me up when I saw some libyan officials asking for american to come in. WTF???

 

[Calliope]

What does America stand for? The world is waiting for Obama to adopt a statesman-like attitude to the great unrest going on around the world. /QUOTE]

Now if america gets involved then they get bashed for involving themselves in other countries business.

America, dambed if they do and damned if they don't.

That's the question I was asking. It is not so confusing. Do we now have to accept that America has become impotent in world affairs, and that the words of Obama and Hillary Clinton are just empty rhetoric?

I am afraid so..

 

[Calliope]

In what way is it a negative effect? No doubt It is having an effect on the markets, But whether it is positive or negative is subjective. So in your words, what is the negative effects? and how do they impact values of businesses 2 , 5 and 10years out from now?

I don't have your market expertise, but I consider that when the market turns sharply down, as it has in America, Europe and Asia, that is a negative effect. There is nothing subjective about that. It is a fact.

Of course if you are a Green, then any negative impact on the market would be seen as a positive. That is subjective.

Market recovery will depend on the reliability of access to Libya's oil by the western countries.

 

[nulla nulla]

What does America stand for? The world is waiting for Obama to adopt a statesman-like attitude to the great unrest going on around the world. America seems hopeless to influence in any way the upheavals in North Africa and the Middle East. Obama is not sure whether he is on the side of the dictators or the insurgents. Does America have any plans to deal with the fallout.

We know how powerless the Americans have been to influence North Korea, Iran or even the Somali pirates.

Egypt attracted little interest on the forum It is surprising that there is no thread on Libya even though it is having such a negative effect on the market.

[video]http://www.businessinsider.com/glenn-beck-libya-obama-speech-video-2011-2#ooid=UxM3gxMjofZpeUvrcJ6vCNqotEwTDVXk[/video]

The one thing that help put the Libya uprising in perspective for me was the protestor who said "We don't want Gadafi, we don't want his family and we don't want his tribe". Libya is little or no different to Afghanistan and Iraq, tribal powerplays and grudges that run back centuries.
If America was to intervene, once again, they would be seen as an invader. Any "democracy" they installed regardless of how independent the voting was would be seen as a puppet government. The tribal insurection would escalate, because there was no secret police to keep em in line.

Better to stand back and let them sort themselves out. Mind you, you would think the all knowing CIA would already have contigency plans in place to elevate the next despot that would ensure supply of oil to America?

 

[Sean K]

Unless the US has actually orchestrated this entire process (unlikely), then they are possibly in decline.

They don't seem to have any influence on what is occurring imo.

Maybe kaos in the region is long term good for them?

 

[Tysonboss1]

but I consider that when the market turns sharply down, as it has in America, Europe and Asia, that is a negative effect. There is nothing subjective about that. It is a fact.

The quoted value of the various sharemarkets has gone down, yes that is a fact, But whether that is a negative or a positive is subjective. There is two sides to everything.

For example the oil gone up, thats a negative for buyers of oil, but a positive for producers.

Share markets have fallen (ever so slightly) thats a negative for anybody wanting to sell, but a positive for people wanting to buy.

 

[Calliope]

The quoted value of the various sharemarkets has gone down, yes that is a fact, But whether that is a negative or a positive is subjective. There is two sides to everything.

For example the oil gone up, thats a negative for buyers of oil, but a positive for producers.

Share markets have fallen (ever so slightly) thats a negative for anybody wanting to sell, but a positive for people wanting to buy.

My original statement was that the Libyan uprising affected the market negatively, i.e there was a world wide market reversal and markets finished in the negative. There are no two sides to that fact.

As for effects down the track, time will tell. Every time that the price of oil has spiked to the level it is now, it has been followed by a recession. No doubt you will find positives in that.

 

[nulla nulla]

My original statement was that the Libyan uprising affected the market negatively, i.e there was a world wide market reversal and markets finished in the negative. There are no two sides to that fact.

As for effects down the track, time will tell. Every time that the price of oil has spiked to the level it is now, it has been followed by a recession. No doubt you will find positives in that.

Buying opportunities, like when the market bottomed in March 2009?

 

[Tysonboss1]

As for effects down the track, time will tell. Every time that the price of oil has spiked to the level it is now, it has been followed by a recession. No doubt you will find positives in that.

No doubt I will, Considering I made a mint in the last one.

Look, Markets go up and down with the fear and euphria of the crowd, Personally I see it as a positive when the shorterm shocks happen like this and the markets come off the boil for a while.

As I have said in other threads I prefer the sharemarkets to go down, Because thats when you will have the opportunity to make good buys.

I would see a long unhindered bull market as a negative, because not only am I not going to be able to deploy cash effectively for a long time, But it will eventually end badly and people will get hurt, and as much as I like to buy good businesses cheaper I don't welcome major stock market disruptions such as the GFC, Lots of smaller corrections that prevent the giant bull runs are preferable.

 

[Calliope]

They have to appear to be doing something.

International efforts to respond to the Libyan crisis are gathering pace under US leadership after a still defiant Muammar Gaddafi launched counterattacks to defend Tripoli against the popular uprising now consolidating its hold on the liberated east of the country.

The White House said Barack Obama planned to call David Cameron and France's president, Nicolas Sarkozy, to discuss possible actions, including a no-fly zone or sanctions to force the Libyan leader to end the violence. Switzerland said it had frozen Gaddafi's assets.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/24/libya-international-response-gathers-pace

 

[Calliope]

The UN Security Council has voted unanimously to impose sanctions on Muammar Gaddafi's Libyan regime for its attempts to put down an uprising.

They backed an arms embargo and asset freeze while referring Col Gaddafi to the International Criminal Court for alleged crimes against humanity.

US President Barack Obama has said the Libyan leader should step down and leave the country immediately.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12589434

Ronald Reagan wanted to take the "mad dog" out years ago. Six days after the 'mad dog" statement. he attempted to take out Gaddafi in a precision air raid on his compound. If this had succeeded thousands of lives would since have been saved and the Lockerbie disaster prevented.

It can't happen now because none of our leaders have Reagan's backbone. "Freeze his assets " indeed. They should freeze his a*se.

 

[Calliope]

It's on the cards that all those Libyan freedom fighters may have died in vain. Nothing will prevent a bloodbath if Gaddafi does win. All the bluster from the UN, NATO, and the USA will not save them.

Gaddafi 'will prevail,' top US spy warns

AMERICA'S top spy has warned that Muammar Gaddafi's forces would "prevail," even as the Obama Government reached out to the Libyan opposition with direct talks and humanitarian aid.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she would travel to the Middle East next week and meet senior anti-Gaddafi figures and Washington said it would soon send humanitarian aid teams to rebel-held areas of eastern Libya.

A day of developments and controversy on Libya on the US side of the Atlantic came as Gaddafi unleashed new attacks on rebels and as NATO said it would deploy more warships and intensify planning for a possible no-fly zone.

As the Gaddafi regime warned insurgents it was poised for victory, James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence (DNI) caused a stir on Capitol Hill and in the White House with his assessment of Gaddafi's military strength.

"Over time I think the regime will prevail," said Mr Clapper at a Senate hearing.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world/gaddaf...ns/story-e6frfkyi-1226019762540#ixzz1GGrGIDYx

 

[Happy]

Gordon2007; in Post 614317 got it right:

America, damned if they do and damned if they don't.


Hands sitting UN has to proclaim resolution first and call for action and US would be naive to make move before.

Pity in a meantime revolt might be no more.

 

[Whiskers]

Apparently France has already recognised the rebel forces as the legitimate government of Libia.

I wouldn't hold my breath for the UN, but NATO might make a move fairly soon since France seems to be getting a bit p!ssed off with muslim refugees.