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MrBurns

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Thought corruption in the ALP deserved a thread of it's own there's so much of it.

Burke has sat on his hands while the reef is ruined

Tony Burke has known for years the Great Barrier Reef is in danger of being removed from the World Heritage List. Yet he continues to allow industrial expansion in the area.
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http://www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2013/02/07/3683865.htm

Now - wasn't Tony Burke a guest at Obeids ski lodge ?

So is Obeid or any of his friends or associates benefiting from Burkes actions here ?
 
MrBurns said:
Thought corruption in the ALP deserved a thread of it's own there's so much of it.
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Why? Because the corruption hasn't been adequately covered in the other 20 Labor bashing threads? or perhaps for your own deluded egotistical purposes?
 
So_Cynical said:
Why? Because the corruption hasn't been adequately covered in the other 20 Labor bashing threads? or perhaps for your own deluded egotistical purposes?
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No because the corruption and incompetence in Labor is so extensive it needs seperate threads as well as a central point to collate and file each level of corruption so as not to confuse it with normal every day corruption like in business.
We could index it by state ,
polititian,
subject matter,
portfolio
you name it. ...
 
What would make more sense to me is a thread simply entitled "Corruption in Australia".
I don't have the impression it's confined to any political party, but rather is rife across Australian society, viz just the latest revelations re sport.

I started thinking about the potential of competitiveness to invite corruption, but discarded that as sufficient reason when I thought about Craig Thomson, Eddie Obeid et al where there seems to be no competitiveness involved and simply a desire for self gratification and personal profit.

Where does this phenomenon come from? Aren't most people able to do OK via honest effort?
What is the driving force that impels people to involve themselves in corrupt and criminal activities?

Is there a lack of national moral compass, a sense of everyday ethics?

Is the behaviour of politicians, with their utter self interest rather than the best interests of the country, one of the examples which prompt ordinary people to sacrifice their integrity?

Many more similar questions.
I'd be interested in the thoughts of others on this.
PS Any country which holds an outlaw in high esteem seems odd to me.
 

I suspect the changing ethnic character of the NSW Labor party had something to do with what's gone on there. Not saying WASPs can't be corrupt but a lot of what's coming out at ICAC is reminiscent of Italian politics (or southern European politics if you will).
 
We used to enjoy watching AFL untill about ten years ago. The match fixing was obvious then and it wasn't only the players.
These days we rarely watch AFL at all.
When there is big money and gambling involved. The outcome can't be left to chance, that would be too fair.

As for corruption in the ALP, check out W.A post John Tonkin. It is like a soap opera, Ministers with paper bags stuffed full of money, Premiers with stamp collections, high powered union officials with political leverage.

I wonder if Abbott will be true to his word and have a Royal Commission into unions?
 
Put simply Julia -

Where money is involved you see people at their worst, I was a real estate agent for 20 years, I know.

Where some men can see money they will do anything.

Organised crime takes this to an organised level and that industry is HUGE, this gives you an insight into mans nature or rather mens greed.
 

Opportunity is certainly a major factor in the cases that are currently in the headlines, particularly the HSU and AWU affairs. I suppose everyone is to a certain degree corruptible, but the risks in most cases outweigh the benefits of acting illegally, so most people don't. However, in the HSU case in particular, it was clear that there was comparatively little chance of being caught, as there were no controls in place to detect fraud.

Most businesses have a separation of duties (I've forgotten the correct term) where every transaction requires at least two people, sometimes more, to complete. So payment of an invoice might require the matching of the invoice against a goods inwards receipt, with each document processed by different departments.

In the case of the HSU it was clear that Thomson could both use the company credit card to buy services and at the same time authorise the accounts department to pay the credit card bills, without anyone else involved or overseeing.

In the AWU affair, there was separation of duties in the sense that setting up the "slush" fund required both AWU involvement and S&G involvement. In this case it did not work because unknown to everyone, those involved from the AWU and S&G were in collusion. When it came to light, it should have been the subject of a police investigation, but for political and self interest reasons it was covered up.
 
Those are excellent questions, Julia.

I thought the media could have been a factor where maybe we are hearing alot more today, bringing it out in the open, and wheeling and dealing has been going on for years.
I wouldnt say its just in Australia, as corruption is a worldwide problem, sadly, but yes, greed is one of the big factors in all this.
 

I think greed is almost the only factor, money is (they say) the root of all evil.
 
So_Cynical said:
Why? Because the corruption hasn't been adequately covered in the other 20 Labor bashing threads?
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Yep thats the case just life on the forum if you try to open a negative thread on the antics of Abbott unfortunately you get moderated but thats life I guess.
 
IFocus said:
Yep thats the case just life on the forum if you try to open a negative thread on the antics of Abbott unfortunately you get moderated but thats life I guess.
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What do you expect from a stock market forum? (Check out the poll for Labor or Coalition)

We are just trying to have a good time in the midst of this most depressing government.
 
dutchie said:
What do you expect from a stock market forum? (Check out the poll for Labor or Coalition)

We are just trying to have a good time in the midst of this most depressing government.
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This drugs in sport story is the best thing to happen to Gillard in weeks, we dont even know who's been charged with fraud over the past few days as the media are distracted.
 
dutchie said:
What do you expect from a stock market forum? (Check out the poll for Labor or Coalition)

We are just trying to have a good time in the midst of this most depressing government.
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I agree dutchie.

These Labor types on this forum need to harden up and do something about the rot in their party

I have many Labor mates who are staying or walking.

The faction led hidden deals were bound to lead to corruption, bound to.

The above left posters need to harden up.

gg
 
Here is one piece of sure-fire corruption

That ass Mcdonald and the V8 situation.

At the time virtually every person involved in Automotive Sports, sincerely believed that the $30M spent to stuff up Sydney traffic for the weekend so the V8s could race Sydney streets, SHOULD HAVE BEEN SPENT AT EASTERN CREEK !... (they call that infrastructure mate)...and the race should have been held there

Every one I spoke to just shook their heads...what a waste!...and a shame.

I clearly recall Mcdonald stridently being the main proponent.

Now we know why! (he got paid...allegedly)

was watching a show recently that was discussing what a huge spectacle that public hangings were...pretty gruesome stuff...maybe I understand now.. would gleefully attend a public hanging + draw & quarter for these folk, wealthy scumbags sucking the pennies from every NSW citizen...maybe a stoning would be more fun?
 
IFocus said:
Yep thats the case just life on the forum if you try to open a negative thread on the antics of Abbott unfortunately you get moderated but thats life I guess.
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That's very true. All my posts in support of Ms Gillard have apparently been deleted.:axt:
 
IFocus said:
Yep thats the case just life on the forum if you try to open a negative thread on the antics of Abbott unfortunately you get moderated but thats life I guess.
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good to see head in the sand technique is still strong
 
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