galumay
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What exactly does the IP cover? Call me cynical, but IP is a very complex legal area and it's a great way for a micro-cap to suck punters in (not saying this is you) by doing a big song and dance about patent protected technology that is only really tangentially related to the product they're promoting.
I think its clearly a high risk speculative company, I remember stumbling across them a year or so ago and then being amazed by the run they have had on basically blue sky.
The price has certainly run way, way ahead of any real results, like any speccy, if it comes off and they really start to generate income then maybe the price will be justified, if not I guess it will be ugly - its a long way down from $13!!
(my back of an envelope calculations suggest that for an IV of $13 AKP would need to have an EPS of around 75c which would equate to a NPAT of about $20m - a hell of a turnaround from the current losses!)
The scary thing for me is the psychology of gamblers who are buying in at the current prices, thats a special kind of optimism!
If you accept this logic, then please explain the prices paid for Hotmail, LinkedIn, Facebook, Google etc I remember when Apple was at $12....then Steve Jobs returned and the SP went past $700
There are some ideas which don't make logical sense based on conventional thinking - Silicon Valley wouldn't exist based on your concepts. I'm not suggesting you invest in Audio Pixels - I'm not a licensed financial advisor. I'm just sure glad that I did. I'll post again in 3 months, whatever happens, and you can then either rubbish me or be very envious.
Well, you pays your money and you makes your choice. Read the latest announcement by Fred Bart - Chairman. He clearly states that the chip works, and so advises the ASX. If he's not telling the truth he's in huge trouble, unlikely for a fairly wealthy guy that would not be interested in going to jail. Audio Pixels have stated previously that something like 51 patents have been registered in at least 13 countries. This has all been advised to the ASX. Quite possible that at some stage someone will reverse engineer the technology but at present we are told that there is nothing like it out there at present.
ABSTRACT
A MEMS speaker device including a membrane that forms a first capacitor and a second capacitor, respectively, with a top plate and with a bottom plate. The device includes a driving circuit that operates, during a first operating period, to move the membrane into a first position, in which the membrane is close to the bottom plate, and during a second operating period, to move the membrane into a second position, in which the membrane is close to the top plate. The device includes a testing circuit having a measuring circuit, which generates a first signal, based on a capacitance of one of the first capacitor and the second capacitor and a second signal based on a capacitance of one of the first capacitor and the second capacitor; and a comparator, which compares the first and second signals with at least one first electrical reference quantity.
ABSTRACT
Disclosed is a microelectromechanical (MEM) speaker device. In one embodiment, the MEM speaker device includes: (i) a base layer; (ii) a device controller; (iii) a coil layer connected to magnetic material; (iv) an oscillator connected to a spring and the magnetic material; (v) a spring between the oscillator and a support layer; (vi) a protective layer over the oscillator; and (vii) a support post connected to the oscillator, the base layer, the protective layer, and the coil layer. Embodiments of the invention can provide a MEM speaker device where control of the oscillator by electromagnetic force produces sound energy.
mango51 said:Possibly you are unamused that this stock has slipped under your radar. I'm not sure in which countries patents have been registered, but I imagine they would be the ones that take IP protection seriously. Why don't you ask Audio Pixels yourself ?
PS skc: But hey! I trade the stock by the chart. Neither do I intend to marry it, nor do my grandkids need a bundle of Aussie shares - I hope they're well and truly on their way, scratching a living on their own, when I become late. I'm sure the crematorium people can do their job without assistance.
(my back of an envelope calculations suggest that for an IV of $13 AKP would need to have an EPS of around 75c which would equate to a NPAT of about $20m - a hell of a turnaround from the current losses!)
Read the latest announcement by Fred Bart - Chairman. He clearly states that the chip works, and so advises the ASX. If he's not telling the truth he's in huge trouble, unlikely for a fairly wealthy guy that would not be interested in going to jail.
I have always taken a punt with this stock, there were periods when I was definitely underwater. Point is, if this chip does what Fred Bart says it does, then it is a total game changer, worth god knows what.
There are some ideas which don't make logical sense based on conventional thinking - Silicon Valley wouldn't exist based on your concepts. I'm not suggesting you invest in Audio Pixels - I'm not a licensed financial advisor. I'm just sure glad that I did. I'll post again in 3 months, whatever happens, and you can then either rubbish me or be very envious.
Please don't take anything posted here personally. It's just different opinions and different approaches to risk and reward. Good luck with your investment and do share more of your research on why you choose to back AKP.
For an investment to pay off in AKP (or any other early stage tech like this), it is unlikely that it's through earning revenue and making profits. Once they have shown enough that their technology works, a larger trade buyer will come at take it out at a price that is unrelated to earning or anything like that.
ASX announcements are not gospel facts, and rarely anyone has ever gone to jail because what they announced turned out to be false. There are many ways to explain why things didn't work out as planned / initially stated. Not saying Fred Bart is lying... but just pointing out that "all ASX announcements are true" is not a logic that stands up.
It may or may not be a great technology that works. I guess my observation with these things is that ...
a). It's near impossible for the average punter (even if they are engineers in the same field) to get a handle on the scientific and commerical viability of the technology.
b). It's certainly not possible for the non-technical average punter (i.e. those Comsec fad traders) to assess and price the technology... yet it is their activities that set the market cap.
c). People buy the bluesky but don't price the probability of success.
That's the whole dot com boom in a nutshell... and it's replayed in micro segments all the time. Selected few will be winners, while the majority will amount to nothing.
The one thing that stood out to me from the list I posted above... is how little they are spending on R&D. If the application is potentially worth $billions, then the chance of this being discovered and developed in the hands of a company spending $2m a year in R&D is quite small. Not impossible, but small.
Please don't take anything posted here personally. It's just different opinions and different approaches to risk and reward. Good luck with your investment and do share more of your research on why you choose to back AKP.
SKC this is a fantastic post that reminds me why I joined ASF. Balanced and objective posts such as this allow people who may be caught up in the hype to re-think their assumptions.
Check out
http://www.brw.com.au/p/business/mid-market/takes_bart_shrinks_speakers_grows_1CaMrKgJhI7mMLO81icBnO
And, Fred is very positive, already knocking back offers to sell the company. Am looking for a very merry Christmas
Thanks for letting us know when it's too late.: A fine friend you are.
With a name like Pixel, I should've been a holder at least since March! Yet nobody told me!
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Going on the Weekly chart, it's probably too late to join now; 200% of a 1-year trading range is often a reversal point; so I'll keep an eye out for a pullback - if and when and how deep.
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Isn't Hindsight wonderful
Three weeks ago, AKP sent a very strong breakout signal - and I missed it again
Today's announcement explains the reason, but now it's too late to start playing catch-up
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