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Afghanistan

Afghanistan Diary: The fall of Kabul was predictable if you were there​

Living in Afghanistan’s capital the week before the Taliban captured the city, the reality was at odds with US intelligence.

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A week ago, The Washington Post published a scoop that US intelligence officials had revised their assessment of Afghanistan to say that Kabul could fall in 90 days. The assessment was later revised a second time to suggest the city could be isolated within 72 hours. A day later, Kabul had fallen. Could anyone have predicted it? Actually, yes.

During my week in the capital, everyone I met was certain that the Taliban would arrive within days. Predictions were extraordinarily accurate: one day after Mazar-i-Sharif, the last major city in northern Afghanistan, was taken. I relied on highly precise intelligence from local businessmen and even foreign journalists to schedule my departure flight.

The question is: why did the intelligence community fail so miserably at something that seemed so easy for anyone with knowledge of local realities? The answer is that intelligence work is no longer about local realities but about data, theory and analysis.

On the one hand, Serena is the safest hotel in Kabul and one of the safest places outside the green zone, where embassies and government buildings are situated. On the other, leaving the hotel is a distinctly uncanny experience. You pass through an armoured gate, then a winding corridor inside one wall, then an open lane after that wall, then a guard armed with a Kalashnikov opens a very narrow door and the light from the street falls on your eyes.

Nodding to the guard, you step out. Five seconds to the car, but they seem to last forever. Reminds me of those fun fair shooting galleries. Serena is a strange place. It scores high on every security protocol because of its safe basement, but no one ever shows you the directions to it.

At the Serena, there are hushed conversations everywhere. In the café, by the snooker table, in the vast and perfectly manicured garden, even in the pool and spa. I prefer the café. As he munches on a plate of french fries, a former Afghan high official tries to make me understand the logic behind events.

“Imagine I am Afghanistan,” he says, “the waiter there is China, that guy is Russia, that maybe India. You are America. What do you do?” Like an unprepared student, I stare at him blankly. Eventually, I manage to say: “You create trouble?” I seem to be on the right track. “Yes, you create trouble. You have already screwed up in Afghanistan, so how do you use that? You create total chaos, so that your adversaries have to deal with it. Later, if necessary, you might even create some Uighur cells in the north to operate inside China …”

Like so many of the buildings in Kabul, the main and most noble entrance to the National Museum of Afghanistan has been closed and a new and more secure one created in the back.

On the day I visit, it feels rather nice. You have to walk through an empty field. I must be the only visitor, but inside the building there is a flurry of activity. Some rooms are not exhibition halls but restoration ateliers. I pretend to be lost and attempt to peek inside a couple, but the artisans quickly rush me out, before returning to their treasures.

The museum was repeatedly bombed and looted in the past four decades, with artworks from Afghanistan’s glorious history showing up in private collections worldwide. More recently there has been an effort to return those works to their rightful place.

The Japanese government deserves particular praise. There is now a Japan room in the museum, but it is not devoted to Japanese art. What you find inside are the stolen artworks recently returned from Japan. Once again, the Kabul Museum can be considered one of the greatest in the world. Will its treasures survive the return of the Taliban?

One day, I put on Afghan clothes and take a long walk in the Kabul bazaar. Finally, no longer marred by blast barriers, the city comes alive. There is no better way to discover how large Kabul really is and how vibrant its economy has become.

I have been to bazaars in Lahore and Tashkent. I am not sure this is smaller. A long street is entirely devoted to electronics. There are streets for clothes, shoes, automobile parts, the usual cloth bags full to the brim with spices and seeds. And above all, there is the bird market, a narrow alley lined with stalls selling birds. Pleasure birds, prized for their plumes and singing.

A small boy walks by and the sun shines directly on the knives attached to a chain that he carries in his hand. We are approaching Muharram, the first month of the Islamic calendar, during which Afghan men cut open their own backs with knives attached to chains.

I am waiting for my flight to Istanbul in the departure lounge of Kabul International Airport, two days before the Taliban took over the city on August 15. There is no one at the door of the small business lounge so I feel tempted to sneak in, but the room is crammed with Americans vociferating into their mobile phones.

I take a walk around the souvenir shop instead. It is empty. Almost all passengers are Afghans leaving Kabul, perhaps forever. The airport is full and there are no seats left on my flight. But there is calm. The children are excited, not afraid.

This is the same airport that just two days later will become a scene for indiscriminate shooting, with Afghans clinging to the wheels of the departing military aircraft and falling to their deaths.

I cannot but think how easy it is to perish because you overlooked some advice, or happened not to meet someone who could have given you a crucial piece of information that might have saved your life.

Bruno Maçães was Portugal’s Europe minister from 2013 to 2015 and is the author of Geopolitics for the End Time: From the Pandemic to the Climate Crisis, which will be released in September.

— New Statesman
 
I thought this thread was called Afghanistan - Australia's next Vietnam? LOL
 
If you start with the premise that with the US withdrawal, it was inevitable that the Taliban would take over, then the total capitulation of the Afghan military may have been a blessing in disguise. If they had put up any decent kind of resistance, you would have had mass killings of not only the military but of civilians as the Taliban always fight from within civilian population enclaves. The end result would have been the same in the long run, a complete Taliban takeover, but with mass casualties and a blood lust for revenge against those who opposed them.

The only alternatives were for the US to remain, something that had become very unpopular in the states and in any case made impossible by deliberate decisions of the previous administration, or to perhaps remain in a very limited capacity say to defend Kabul only and at least maintain some sort of normality for the civilians there. The latter would also have allowed a government to be maintained that might keep the status quo in relation to China and Russia.

Terrible as the scenes at the airport have been in the last few days and aware it could have been handled better, there haven’t been any significant loss of life so far. It is disastrous for the women of Afghanistan, but was that ever likely to be different following the inevitable US withdrawal.
 
Interesting that the RAAF Hercules, that went to pick up refugees from Kabul, only found 26 people there. By the media ramping one would have thought the plane would be jam packed.
It will be interesting to see how many flights are required.
 
Interesting that the RAAF Hercules, that went to pick up refugees from Kabul, only found 26 people there. By the media ramping one would have thought the plane would be jam packed.
It will be interesting to see how many flights are required.
Maybe. I'd be confident that if Peter Dutton has his way no one will be allowed on board until he has totally exhausted every means of ensuring they cannot possibly represent a terrorist threat to Australia.

Of course the best way of achieving that result is not letting them in at all.
 
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Looks like the West could just strangle the new Taliban administration at birth. The Afghan Treasury is almost out of money and all their savings are sitting in US banks which are not transferring funds.

Apparently the NGO's are also stopping funds and they finance 40 +% of the countries budget. Should take more than few few to destroy teh economy, see mass unemployment and hunger - ( and naturally of course blame the Taliban for economic mismanagement. )

Looking ahead however who would step in to fill the gap ? And what price would they ask politically ?

From an historical POV it is worth remembering what happened in 1949 when Mao won the civil way and the Nationalists led by Chiang Ki-Skek fled to Taiwan. Initially Mao approached the US for recognition and support. The US administration decided they wern't going to support a communist government. Mao then ended up formally allied by USSR. That wasn't their first choice.

 
Worth a read

 
There were calls for the U.S to get out of the middle east for years, it was never going to be an easy exit, how it pans out is what matters IMO.
If the Afghans want to return to the life pre occupation, that is their right, if the don't they will make changes.
If the Taliban resurrect the massive terrorist attacks, as per the 9/11 twin towers incidents, I'm sure the same outcome will eventuate.
I think it will be a different Taliban, Chinese money, will bring forward mining projects IMO and a more liberal Afghanistan will develop.
Time will tell.
 
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I agree that it is up to the Afhanis to determine their system of government, though I am not sure they got a lot of choice in the matter.
As to America getting out of the middle east, that should alo include getting out of the Phillipines, Japan, Gunatanimo Bay which belongs to Cuba, Germany, and all the other overseas bases they hold.
However, I wish I could share your optimism of the future.
The expert thinking 20 years ago was that China would become liberal as it became a part of the Western influenced commercial trade mechanisms.
A more affluent China would want all the things we Westerners take for granted, rather than being vassals of the State.
Look how thats turned out.
China is more repressive and belligerent than ever.
My fear is that the Taliban will take a leaf out of the Chinese play book use the one party authoritarian rule over everything in the lives of Afganhis .
Being able to allow citizens to have state controlled mobile phones, Sharia Law, disallowing any other form of religion or politics, controlling all the military weaponry. These things would appeal to the Taliban.
Mick
 
Just to be clear, the Taliban were not directly involved in terrorism as it has never been their interest.
Pre war the Taliban allowed al Qaeda to train Islamists in Afghanistan and got arms in return.
Mullah Omar objected to al Qaeda's 9/11 attack but was was not able to stop Bin Laden from proceeding with it.
No 9/11 terrorists were Afghanis.
ISIS and the Taliban are effectively "enemies".
Under the deal done between America and the Taliban, neither al Qaeda nor any other extremist group are allowed to operate in the areas under Taliban control.
 
The expert thinking 20 years ago was that China would become liberal as it became a part of the Western influenced commercial trade mechanisms.
I have followed China's rise for over 30 years and never heard that claim.
A more affluent China would want all the things we Westerners take for granted, rather than being vassals of the State.
Not sure when you were last in China but the average Chinese citizen is more technology oriented than many in the west, and has access to all the things we want (and more) but at a more affordable price. Their public transport systems are also world leading. Aside from that Chinese people have more confidence in their government than most democracies.

China is more repressive and belligerent than ever.
Actually its the west who sabre rattle and continue to occupy regions of the world they are not wanted.
Being able to allow citizens to have state controlled mobile phones, Sharia Law, disallowing any other form of religion or politics, controlling all the military weaponry. These things would appeal to the Taliban.
Given that's what they were doing before US invasion then I am sure they will do it again. However the Taliban do not have the means to block the internet or mobile phones.
 
Perhaps you need to just read a little wider than you do now.
And while your at it, haver a bit of a read about what constitutes a straw man argument.
AS for the claim about the level of technology, I didn't deny it.
What I said was the level of control of that technology allows the state to be as repressive as they like.
Every phone must be approved by the state.
Every app must be approved by the state.
Every citizen has to earn CCP approved social credits before they can even travel.
AS to the Taliban not having the means to control the internet and mobile phones, what the hell do you think China does? You have already said that China will step in and provide the money , technology , etc that the Taliban need. All they have to do is takeover whatever comms companies exist in Afganistan.
As to your comment that
Chinese people have more confidence in their government than most democracies.
What source did it come from? the CCP? Rueters? CNN?
When all forms of criticism are banned, what the hell do you expect them to say.
Its about as valid as the polls that gave Robert Mugabe 98% of the vote in Zimbabwe elections.
Mick
 
What was "The War on Terror" all about ? What has it cost ? What have been the results ?

 
Jonathan Pie in his singular inimitable style offers a pithy more direct analysis of what has happened in Afghanistan.

 
And while your at it, haver a bit of a read about what constitutes a straw man argument.
I studied logic at university, so I know I did not use a straw man.
AS for the claim about the level of technology, I didn't deny it.
Your exact words: "A more affluent China would want all the things we Westerners take for granted...." China leads the USA in purchasing power parity terms.
What I said was the level of control of that technology allows the state to be as repressive as they like.
Everyone in China wanting access to western media uses a proxy server.
Every phone must be approved by the state.
Every app must be approved by the state.
Afghanistan does not yet have this capacity.
Every citizen has to earn CCP approved social credits before they can even travel.
It's the other way around. Courts impose restrictions on offenders. Many Chinese want harsher restrictions because it reduces scams, unpaid loans, false advertising and even people occupying reserved seats on a train.
AS to the Taliban not having the means to control the internet and mobile phones, what the hell do you think China does?
China has the technology and capability to do this, but not Afghanistan.
You have already said that China will step in and provide the money , technology , etc that the Taliban need. All they have to do is takeover whatever comms companies exist in Afganistan.
I know that China's BRI will be available to Afghanistan. BRI leaves control in a country's hands, not China's.
When all forms of criticism are banned, what the hell do you expect them to say.
Your comments reflect a poor knowledge of what Chinese people actually think, and what they are able to do.

But there are other threads on China, so let's keep this one on topic.
 
And your comments show a level of arrogance that is quite astounding.
Mick
 
And your comments show a level of arrogance that is quite astounding.
Mick
I can back up all my points from personal experience and other evidence so why don't you do that instead of playing the man?
 
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The United States both under President Trump and President Biden just want to cut the enormous expenditure in Afghanistan. The US dollar, in particular, has strengthened against all other currencies this past week and the GB£ in second place. The markets say it is a good move and don't care about personal suffering or for future loss of trillions of tonnes of rare earths particularly Lithium.

The Taliban do not have respect for China, Russia, or the USA. They accept all three will be willing participants on a business basis. That is how it works out in the end. As we know France and other nations supported the war of Independence against the British in America. All France ever got was the second prize of French-speaking Quebec in Canada.

When it comes to big mining expertise USA is first, Canada second, Russia third, and China fourth. It will cost billions of dollars to set up big long-term mining in Afghanistan. Very big mines can take 10 to 15 years to bring to full production with all the infrastructure involved.​
 
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