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Abortion

Do you believe abortion should be legal Australia wide?

  • Yes

    Votes: 74 81.3%

  • No

    Votes: 17 18.7%
  • Total voters
    91
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Abortion: It really brings out the child in you.
another one.
Why can't you fool an aborted foetus?



Because it wasn't born yesterday.
 
Talk about a contentious issue, it is one of those issues that bring out very strong opions and unfortunately some pretty poor arguments by some. It is not a black and white issue, but lives in the grey area of moral decisions making.

No one has the right to judge a women who decides to terminate a pregnancy, for the majority it is one of the most difficult decisions they will face. I'm just thankful that we have the right to make a choice that is best for our own circumstances.

I'd rather see a pregnancy terminated than see the impact of a child that is abused and/or neglected.

I enjoyed your logic cuttlefish and Green08 I appreciated your reflection.
 
SM Junkie said:
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I'd rather see a pregnancy terminated than see the impact of a child that is abused and/or neglected.
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This is the point that is so often ignored by anti-abortion people.
Just today I heard the statistics quoted regarding the number of children in care. It was many times the number of available foster carers.

Rather than saying a foetus has unquestioned right to progress to becoming a person, I'd like the decision to be made on the basis of the likelihood that baby has of being born into a loving environment.

In an ideal world, all conceptions would be the result of planning in a loving relationship. But that simply isn't always what happens.

This question is like many other issues which affect the individual.
My ideal society would be one where the rights of the individual are completely respected, and where no person feels obliged to try to inflict their views on others.
 
I agree with what Vic is doing. After 24weeks, all the arguments about pro-choice and bad environment become obsolete. The mother had a chance to make the decision to abort and has simply let it pass.
Barring extenuating circumstances, the fetus now then has a right to live..
 
SM Junkie said:
I'd rather see a pregnancy terminated than see the impact of a child that is abused and/or neglected.
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lol, as Ive said before-ask any abused or neglected child and ask them if they would rather be dead, ask them if they would rather have never had the chance at life, no matter how unsavoury it may be. Simple as that.....Its easy for you to say you would rather them be terminated, what about if it was you who was to be terminated? I think some of you are forgetting these are lifes you are terminating, they WILL be a human life if you dont terminate them. Perhaps its easier for you to justify it by ignoring that fact?
 


6 MONTHS... I wonder if people even know what a 6 month old feutus looks like? Its alive, its a living human being!!! Its a person, and it is a life with un limited potential....I cant believe people can be so blase about this stuff? Is it just becasue you cant see it, that you dont have to see a living human get sucked out, ripped apart, that its o.k? Sorry to get graphic but thats the truth of it....
 
I completely understand what your saying blogs. Essentially the mother owns it, until it is born. The carrier of the foetus bears all the responsibility and therefore decides what rights her body does and doesn’t have. Including what is inside it.
 
24 weeks is far too late to be having an abortion...regardless of the situation.
 
Blogs if a loved one of yours was raped and fell pregnant, do you think they should still have the baby?
 
Gav I understand that is a tough one, but if someone is raped I would have thought this would be a non issue? Surely they would have had the morning after pill OR taking every measure there is to ensure they dont fall pregnant.

Anyway this is too sensative and touchy a topic, Im out...
 
Please read this article about Dr. Bernard Nathanson, it is about America's most famous abortionist, who saw the light.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Nathanson


As a younger man, he had been strongly pro-choice, and he claims that he performed an abortion on a woman who had become pregnant by him.[1] He later gained national attention by then becoming one of the founding members of the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws, now known as NARAL Pro-Choice America. He worked with Betty Friedan and others for the legalization of abortion in the United States. Their efforts essentially succeeded with the Roe v Wade decision. He was also for a time the director of the Center for Reproductive and Sexual Health (CRASH), New York's largest abortion clinic. Nathanson has written that he was responsible for over 75,000 abortions throughout his pro-choice career.

The development of ultrasound, however, in the 1970s led him to reconsider his views on abortion. He is now a staunch supporter of the pro-life movement. In 1984, he made the documentary The Silent Scream which showed an abortion from the perspective of ultrasound. His second documentary Eclipse of Reason dealt with late-term abortions. He has also stated that the numbers he once cited for NARAL concerning the number of deaths linked to illegal abortions were "false figures".[2]

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I think the development of ultrasound has proven the fact that a fetus is in fact a baby. Out of sight, out of mind doesn't cut it any more. The proof is in the ultrasound pictures.

Look, I realize that abortion will never be outlawed, there is not enough support for that, it will never happen. But, people should always put more thought into what they are actually doing when they decide to abort. You can't take it back afterwards, and many women are really affected by abortions - for the rest of their lives. Adoption should really be the answer, if you ask me.
 
as Ive said before-ask any abused or neglected child and ask them if they would rather be dead,
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Have you? Because if you had then I doubt you would be making these comments.

Well I have worked with these children and I have worked with adults that have survived. I've seen the kids that will never be able to function in society, the kids that have been permanently disabled at the hands of their parents and yes the kids that have died.

ask them if they would rather have never had the chance at life, no matter how unsavoury it may be
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I can't believe that you think this is ok. Children have died and continue to die in the most tragic of circumstances, I doubt you would even be able to comprehend how inhumane some people can be and believe me there are far worse ways to die then through a termination.

Whether you believe termination is right or wrong is really of no consequence. No doubt you will make decisions in your life that are right for you and you just need to allow others the right to make decisions about their own life regardless if you agree or not.
 
There may be some percentage that wish they had never been born, but far more would wish to have been born. There are many people that grow up in dire circumstances, even torturous abusive circumstances, that actually grow up to live happy productive lives. They get past it. Some people are very resilient.
 

Why would it be a "non issue"? They are still unwanted, and as you said, its still a human being... How can you have one set of rules for one unborn baby, then an entirely different for another? Its not the babies fault how he/she was created. Whether a lady has a one night stand and falls pregnant, or falls pregnant from rape, it doesnt change the fact that there is a person inside her.

I am neither for or against, it is too complex of an issue.
 
Gav you are missing my point-it would be a non issue because of the day after pill.....

But yes it is a very very complex issue. I think some take it to lightly
 
blogs said:
Gav you are missing my point-it would be a non issue because of the day after pill.....

But yes it is a very very complex issue. I think some take it to lightly
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Yes but not all rape victims get up the next morning after being raped (or co-erced into a sexual situation they subsequently regret) and march promptly down to the Dr in a business like fashion and request a day-after pill.

Not addressing it immediately would be more likely imo to apply to younger women/teenagers who may not be as confident or assertive and may be too ashamed or scared to approach anyone about it and instead cross their fingers and hope they're not pregnant.

So if someone in this situation does subsequently find they are pregnant and then approaches someone about it are they now penalised for not being assertive enough to come forward in the first place and forced to continue the unwanted pregnancy?

Also at what point is it a 'rape' and acceptable thus to terminate the pregnancy vs it being voluntary. If an inexperienced teenager gets really drunk and is pressured into a sexual situation that they later regret do they have to have evidence of physical violence before we allow them to have an abortion. Does the rape have to be tested in court?

As you say the issue is complex - which is why generic legislation isn't the best way to address it. This is why it is best decided by a woman in consultation with her own support network (which may include her partner of course), her Dr and possibly professional counselling.
 

Thats true. Its not the babies fault how it was conceived, and to truly be consistent, if someone believes that an unborn baby has the right to a chance in life, then even for rape, it is the same, even if its put out for adoption straightaway. I know this is about as difficult as it can get. Its also pretty rare because the trauma of rape very rarely leads to pregnancies, but it does happen. I once heard a doctor speak on the subject who herself was the product of a conception that occurred through rape.

But if that's difficult, what about this one...
 
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