Quite frankly, I'm suprised that in this day and age it's such an issue.
The Vics are punching on about legalising abortion right now.
Quite frankly, I'm suprised that in this day and age it's such an issue.
IMO Abortion should be a right for every woman.
http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/181_04_160804/dec10242_fm.htmlDon't underestimate the religious nutters ability to force their fairy tale beliefs onto others.
Why is it that if you don't agree with abortion you are automatically a religious nutter??
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Cuttlefish, I was trying to decide how to express how I felt about this issue, and then I read your post. I just don't have anything to add. Thank you.If only society could be ideal ... but it itsn't. Some women will find themselves unexpectedly pregnant and after a few days will know in their hearts that they want to nuture and raise this beautiful thing inside them in spite of it being unexpected. Others will feel sick with the responsibility so early in life. Others will want to have the baby but will feel pressured by their partners, parents or others in society to let it go. Whether the baby would or would not have been born into a good, nurturing environment is always difficult to know - there are many babies born into an environment of abuse and neglect - is this the better thing for them? Is it more likely that an unwanted baby will be born into this sort of environment than a stable nurturing one?
I don't know the answers, but until I do I'm more than happy to allow the woman, who will have the 24 hour a day, 7 day a week, 365 days a year, for the next 20 years, responsibility, to decide.
Who speaks up for the unborn baby? If women are entitled to choice then why aren't the babies? Babies are not just tissue within the mothers body like an appendix for example, they are unique human beings.
Meainigless semantics. If you want to impose morality on society you are going to have to come up with logical reasons why society is better off with abortion being made illegal. For example, theft should be illegal as society would not function properly because there would be no incentive to work and be productive. A society where theft is legal is far worse than a society where theft is illegal. Why is society better off forcing a woman to have an unwanted child rather than allowing abortion?
On the basis of your logic, we should kill cripples, elderly who who no longer needed, and anyone else "we" don't consider benefits society. A short Austrian guy with a mo had the same ideas 70 yrs ago.
Wow, a straw man argument and proving Godwin's Law all in 1 short post!
You totally misunderstand my point and instead reframe into what you think I said. A valid comparison would be saying is society better if it allows the killing of cripples and elderly. I would argue today's society is better off not killing cripples and elderly, as amongst many reasons who is going to decide who benefits society or not and thus is killed. There is no valid comparison here to the situation of a pregnant woman and abortion.
So again I ask the religious nutters - Why is society better off forcing a woman to have an unwanted child rather than allowing abortion?
No, my inference from your logic was exactly correct.
The two questions are:
1. When does life begin?
and
2. Is human life intrinsically valuable in itself, or does society, carers, guardians, parents etc, have the right to choose whether to terminate a life of someone weak and unable to speak for themselves, and considered unnecessary by society.
As to the "religious nutters", thats about your 4th slag off on it. Not sure how you get from valuing life and protecting the innocent, to religious nutter.
Wow, a straw man argument and proving Godwin's Law all in 1 short post!
You totally misunderstand my point and instead reframe into what you think I said. A valid comparison would be saying is society better if it allows the killing of cripples and elderly. I would argue today's society is better off not killing cripples and elderly, as amongst many reasons who is going to decide who benefits society or not and thus is killed. There is no valid comparison here to the situation of a pregnant woman and abortion.
So again I ask the religious nutters - Why is society better off forcing a woman to have an unwanted child rather than allowing abortion?
Any society that cannot or will not defend its most vulnerable and innocent members is a society in terminal decay.
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I am speaking from Personal experience. I have an autistic son, he is 19 years old I have been by his side fitting for his rights at local and state governemnt level to access assistance which is taken for granted. If I knew I was pregnant again with a child suffering any disability I would terminate it immediately. I have watched his suffering and struggle through life and it has been heart wrenching at times. That is not fair to bring a child into this world where in reality they do not receive the same assistance as others and living on the disability pension is a pure joke. The waiting lists in some regions for speech therapy is 2 years! Private is expensive when done on a regular basis.
Those of you who do not agree with abortion need to expand you thoughts. How much will a child suffer. Do you have adequate support to raise the child. Do you know how much time a single parent needs a day to support a child like this with very little assistance. I support those who make a well thought out decision to not have children if they believe they can't raise the child or cope with the challenges it will present.
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