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ABC is Political

Interesting to see another view on the "huge" salaries paid to ABC presenters.



http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/abc-salaries/

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I guess if I owned a media outlet, I'd pay a hellava lot more for someone people like to listen to than a petty, transparent propagandist.
 
The ABC's latest effort in relation to Julia Gillard's comments on Spying.

1) Headline on the ABC's front web page;

'Promise not to do it again'
ABC NEWS

Next to that is the image below.

2) Story headline;

Tony Abbott should promise not to tap Indonesian president's phone in future, Julia Gillard says

3) First paragraph in bold font;

Former Labor prime minister Julia Gillard says Tony Abbott should promise not to tap the phone of the Indonesian president in the future.

That in the absence of reading further very much leaves the impression it was Tony Abbott that did it in the first place.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-...an-accuses-abbott-of-mishandling-spyi/5109632
 

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It is fairly simple.

Snowden is a traitor to the West.

The ABC has decided to adopt a traitorous attitude to Australia, due to a pervasive culture of political commitment to the Left.

The kindest things one could say about the ABC is that they are stupid, not seeing the wood for the trees and that it has been a programmed attack on the Abbott Government .

At it's very worst, the consequences of the ABC's actions may lead to injury or death to members of our armed forces, diplomats or citizens.

The ABC should be held to account.

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100% agree. Edward Snowden is not a whistleblower, as the ABC like to refer to him. He's a criminal, and they are abetting his actions. The damage done will be difficult to repair.
 

Hmmm, I like freedom of speech. It allows people to incriminate... themselves!


That would be assuming that (the rest of the true story) which is sooo secret did not lead to injury or death to members of our armed forces, diplomats or citizens... already!

Think about the prejudice, fear and hysteria that led to the likes of the Vietnam war or the Iraq war... and others.

What if truth had prevailed?

On the anniversary of the death of JFK... what if he'd listened to all his advisors and their 'secret' intelligence and launched a pre-emptive strike against Russia/Cuba?

Secrets just make you more paranoid!

But in any case, once someone decides to 'leak' information... why shoot the messenger, the abc or other? Do you shoot your postman when he brings a certified letter from, say someone you punched up because you didn't like what he said and is now suing you?
 
Objective comments...........ABC reports the news ......its a commie extreme left wing anti Abbott plot, disgusting subversive propaganda.


Suggest changing your medication comments here are beyond the pail and some.
 
I don't need the data, because wayneL's law has already entered scientific canon, but its just interesting witnessing it ivindicated over and over.
 
Objective comments...........ABC reports the news ......its a commie extreme left wing anti Abbott plot, disgusting subversive propaganda.
Are you actually suggesting the ABC and the Guardian have no responsibility in this matter?
 
Are you actually suggesting the ABC and the Guardian have no responsibility in this matter?


Are you actually suggesting they shouldn't report the news based on a political outcome?
 
A couple of interesting pieces on the ABC from Michael Smith and Andrew Bolt about the ABC's $233M contract to operate the Australia Network.

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...take-the-money-then-dish-the-dirt-isnt-i.html

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...c-for-the-australia-network-per-annum-wi.html

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/..._jakarta_show_the_abc_breached_its_agreement/

The link to the AFR article referred to in Andrew Bolt's blog post is below.


http://www.afr.com/p/blogs/christop...omised_public_interest_mTS4P4NusdEYYHrWX9GN8H
 
Are you actually suggesting they shouldn't report the news based on a political outcome?
I suppose it's futile to expect you to actually treat the question seriously.
The material was stolen. The ABC should have considered all the obvious fall out before succumbing to sensationalism and making it public.

Simply being in possession of someone's private information does not confer the right to make it public.
Say I came into possession of some damaging information about you, (and obviously I'm not suggesting that that would happen) does that give me the right to post it here for all your co-members to see and to hugely embarrass you? No, of course not.

Origin of the ABC's salary details leak identified.
Hah, that's so funny.
The self righteous ABC shot themselves in the foot.
 
I suppose it's futile to expect you to actually treat the question seriously.
The material was stolen.

Isn't the overriding point that the information in Snowdens file was originally stolen, obtained illegally, via spying? No government can win the ethical argument, claiming that someone who passed that information on further 'stole' the information, that the gov had previously stolen from someone else.

Just because every country spies on each other does not make it 'legal'... it's just a gentleman's agreement not be put the info in the public domain in the first instance, to have 'diplomatic' officials bargain off against each other.

Then what about the prosecution for 'treason' argument?

Well, that too is a double edged sword for the government... apparently the gov (or at least some officials) could/should be tried for treason on their own people.

The ABC should have considered all the obvious fall out before succumbing to sensationalism and making it public.

Didn't Snowden start leaking to The Guardian and The Washington Post while still employed by NSA, before it got too hot for him being exposed, and fled with the files?

In all the circumstances, the ABC didn't 'make it public'. They just reported what is otherwise available on other news services?


That's true, BUT it was not the information about the person, the original data gathered about people that was the motive for Snowden releasing it, BUT rather the fact that US officials (and others) had such a massive surveillance operation collecting masses of information on anyone they chose in the guise of 'National Security'... WITHOUT reasonable accountability.

If Snowden could so easily leak the information to the media, what if corporations or even other governments have leaks from the NSA, that are just quietly exploiting the info for commercial profit?

Think about the irony from the Murdock News of The World phone tapping of innocent people for sensationalist breaking news stories... money, extra profit for News Corp.

Why are we seeing so much blame fired at the ABC for printing a story that was available elsewhere?

Maybe it has something to do with most of the other media is owned by Murdock's News Ltd and not able to afford being a hypocrite by breaking the news, in the still unfolding legacy of their own inexcusable phone tapping scandal.
 

https://theconversation.com/i-spy-you-spy-we-all-spy-but-is-it-legal-20540
Then, from the Financial Review:
 

Just a few legal fine points to make.

The general collection of information and intelligence gathering is quite legal... BUT with caveats.

We have the right to collect information and intelligence... BUT we don't have the right to break other countries laws, or break our own laws such as to invade the privacy of our own citizens, to get it.

Say for example the Indo presidents, wife etc were taped from within Indonesia. That would be a crime by some Aus or US official working within our agency against Indonesian Law. That is why the collection of spying intelligence is quite often illegal.

Further, in Law the 'intent' of the person (or government agency) is determinative of what if any crime has been committed.

A Crime for the disclosure of 'Official Secrets' under the Crimes Act Sec 79 is dependent on proving the intention of prejudicing the security or defence of the Commonwealth.

There are also exceptions and defences to 'leaking' government secrets under The Crimes Act, Officials Secrets, subsections 79(2) and (3), such as where there is a duty in the greater public interest to communicate the information to someone else such as the media. The government is constitutionally required to act in the public interest, not some private or political interest.

In Commonwealth v Fairfax [(1980) 147 CLR], the Court considered that the degree of embarrassment to Australia’s foreign relations that would flow from disclosure was not enough to justify protection of the information

The public interest test set out in Commonwealth v Fairfax places the burden on governments to justify the maintenance of the confidentiality of the information. The reason for this is the importance of freedom of communication and public discussion. As McHugh J explained in Attorney‑General (UK) v Heinemann Publishers Australia Pty Ltd:
http://www.alrc.gov.au/publications...onfidentiality-and-loyalty-and-fidelity?print

So, why have the government not got an injunction to silence the ABC et all... because they know they can not get one under the law... the same laws they are bound by in terms of what they can collect in the name of national security.
 
Nice set of legal arguments arguments there Whiskers.

Trouble is I don't think we live in world where the Rule of law is now taken seriously. When people throw the word treason around to describe the exposure of a vast international illegal surveillance network we have big trouble understanding why there are laws in the first place.

They are there to give us some independent protection against a capricious government. Constitutional rights, 1st Amendment, Freedom of Speech, Laws on Privacy.

But it appears as if in 2013 a government just has to mouth the word national Security and all of this swept away.
 
But it appears as if in 2013 a government just has to mouth the word national Security and all of this swept away.
Any government would be very remiss in not giving national security a high priority. However in your case, along with the Greens, The ABC, and The Guardian and fuelled by Edward Snowden and Vladimir Putin, anything that can damage our security is fair game as long as it is directed at wrecking Tony Abbott's boats policies.
 
One of the lead stories on the ABC web site...


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-24/abbott-mishandling-indonesia-crisis-plibersek/5113312

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