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I assume you hold barnett and newman as paragons of fiscal rectitude and economic management?

How many lives were ruined by Howard sending troops into Iraq? Roughly 1M Australians marched in protest against sending troops, but the Govt went against the will of the people. How many more lives will be ruined by the mission creep of Abbott? I'd say the cost has been quite a bit higher than pink batts.

But then, why is Labor responsible for what is a state issue in that work place safety is a state issue? Would it be reasonable to hold Howard responsible for all the construction worker deaths and injuries due to the FHB grants he dolled out? You know worker deaths went up while work choices was in force.



How many promises has Abott broken so far? His NBN promise lasted less than 3 months. How's his no new taxes, increased spending and bigger surpluses promise going too?
i agree the ABC has a left lean to it, but in a country following the right wing ideology we probably need that. I don't hear you complaining about programs like landline, but since roughly 90% of Australians live in cities, it could be argued the ABC is biased towards farmers (for the record I find landline quite interesting)
 

Firstly, I cannot speak for what is going on in WA but in Queensland Newman took over from over 10 years of hard Labor and was handed a debt of $80 billion.......In his attempt to reduce that debt, he went to the 2015 election seeking a mandate to sell or lease assets to pay down that debt left by the Beattie/Bligh socialists left....It was rejected by voters after the CFMEU and the Labor party after they set up their propaganda machine....Now, we in Queensland have to suffer the consequences with increasing unemployment and higher debt.

Your remarks about the Australian lives lost (43) in Iraq and the decision to send troops to Iraq was a bi-partition decision with the Labor Party....So why are you only holding the gun to Howard's head.

You keep on harping on about Abbott breaking promises but you do not criticize the Rudd/Gillard/ Rudd and I will include Swan ( the worlds greatest treasurer ???) who promised we would be in the black in 2013...500 times they stated it...Then it became a deficit of $2 billion, the $11 billion, then $18 billion but the true figure was $48 billion.....Labor lied about the state of the economy and Abbott had no alternative but break some of his promises.

But ha, according to the polls, Abbott is doing a great job and Billy boy is sliding south.
 
SirRumpole said:
The ideological crusade continues.

Barnaby said on Insiders that he was happy to appear of Q&A, but Abbott maintains the grudge, and is still trying to turn the ABC into his propaganda machine.
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I disagree. I don't see any ideological crusade. What I see from my vantage point, is an opportunity to divide the community into tribal hysteria, with political gain. This is classical Tony Abbott the destroyer, with his divide and conquer mentality. It distracts the public from the can't do governance.

The ABC has way too much intellectual prowess for the likes of Barnaby, Tony, and the others who haven't the ability and a belief that moribund parliamentary esprit de corps is an asset. I would imagine Tony Jones would have pursued Barnaby on the logical reasons for not allowing the public to view the enemy at the gates.
 

Newman was a shoe in to be re-elected, he promised lots and lined the pockets of the few, Abbott has broken his pledges which were cynical in the first place. Forget the party loyal, the score cards speak for themselves... in any corner of the paddock and either side of the fence.
 

Do you have a link on your claim or is it all hearsay again?
 
noco said:
Do you have a link on your claim or is it all hearsay again?
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No I don't post links because they are superfluous to welded on fanatics. I don't perpetuate hearsay, I tend to act on fact and plausible fiction.
 

There are definitely people in the Liberal Party who don't think that the ABC should exist at all and should be sold off to Uncle Rupie. Cory Bernadi is one of those. The IPA thinks so too and Tony Abbott listens to the IPA.
 
Well at least with Abbott banning front benchers going on Q & A, Tony Jones will have to do some real reporting, rather than just Government bashing.

All we need now, is the same ban being applied to the Bolt report, another one eyed nonsense programme.
 

Mr Srooge (Tony Jones) always has that "GOTCHA" mentality...He must work out long before the show as tho how he can trap a coalition MP.

Regarding the Bolt report, I have noted Bolt being critical of Abbott more than once.

The difference between the two shows are the fact that the ABC is funded by the tax payer and has a charter of impartiality which it completely ignores where as the Bolt Report is a free enterprise organization and is not under any obligation to follow a tax payer funded charter......If the channel Bolt works for loses its ratings and is ostracized by their advertising clients, they go out of business.....The ABC does not have to worry about ratings or advertising....This why the Labor Party have planted so many socialists in the ABC.

Control the media and you control the naive people.
 

The problem is that when the ABC carries out its charter and criticises the government there are calls for heads to roll. If you want an impartial ABC then there has to be freedom from harassment by those holding the purse strings.
 
SirRumpole said:
The problem is that when the ABC carries out its charter and criticises the government there are calls for heads to roll. If you want an impartial ABC then there has to be freedom from harassment by those holding the purse strings.
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It is very obvious to me and many others who comment on media reports from the ABC that they, the ABC, jump on and exploit and many cases exaggerate any minor slip of the tongue by Abbott or his MPs where as if their is a gaff by any Labor Shorten or his MPs, the ABC let them go throw to the keeper with very little mention.

You have to admit the ABC are so blatantly obvious when it comes to discrediting the Liberal National Party...They will go out of their way to twist things around to make it out worse than what it really is...It is not just a case of accountability, it is more a matter of humiliation when they see an opportunity..
 
When another member here and myself were part of the now defunct QANDA discussion board, we both were very critical of various aspect to the show. I got fed up with the persistent, if not constant, ambushing of my time with long winded and deliberate debates about homosexuality, muslims, boat people and climate change. To me it was sledgehammering an agenda of something, not so much political, nor social, but something else. Sufficed to say the overly moderated forum started stripping entire pages of member arguments.

It's only my opinion, but I don't think QANDA is political in the sense of registered parties. Given the undemocratic behaviour of the administrators on the QANDA discussion board, I tend to think the show is crafted to create dissention amongst peers and viewers can feel aggrieved for their side of the fence. I'm pretty sure all party tragics get pent up over the unfair treatment their tribes gets at the hands of Tony Jones.

We have to come to terms with what makes a Liberal and what makes a Laborite. One of the major differences is that Labor hacks invariably like to talk things out, they pursue facts to support their argument and they will get passionate. Liberals don't like to explain because it is tantamount to justifying and therefore a slight on ones character.... they just want to throw spears at problems, whereas Laborites want to get to the core of the problem and negotiate an outcome.....just like public servants, just like the ABC.
 
I saw dear old Mandy Vanstone on ABC Breakfast this morning saying that she never got a fair go on Q&A. She probably got more than she deserved, however I would like to see the rationale that the ABC uses to decide what questions should be asked. There must be some sort of selection procedure. Perhaps the questions should be put into a barrel and drawn out by one of the panellists during the show, but even then some people would complain than the barrel was stacked.
 

So when the Q&A forum introduced a restricted word count on submissions, that was blatantly biased towards the Conservatives
 
I wonder whether the Abbott ban on QandA came after Barnaby asserted that same sex marriage was not a good idea because it did not fit in with the views of our Asian neighbours.Questioners would have had a field day with that one.
I believe that Malcolm Turnbull could respond intelligently to these questions,but I worry about some of the other frontbenchers.
 
We have to come to terms with what makes a Liberal and what makes a Laborite. One of the major differences is that Liberal hacks invariably like to talk things out, they pursue facts to support their argument and they will get passionate. Laborites don't like to explain because it is tantamount to justifying and therefore a slight on ones character.... they just want to throw spears at problems, whereas Liberals want to get to the core of the problem and negotiate an outcome....unlike public servants, unlike the ABC.
 

None of our fricken questions ever got selected and we were core members.

I can't believe they would pass up the opportunity to discuss the topics we started. Instead they shutdown the thread starter function and limited discussions to retrospective questions of the night. That's democracy in action right there ....LNP style
 
I agree with the Q&A ban, and it should be extended further to 7:30 and Lateline.

Until such time as Bill Shorten appears on the Bolt Report, which Rudd and Gillard never did.

And the national broadcaster meets it's public charter.
 
Logique said:
I agree with the Q&A ban, and it should be extended further to 7:30 and Lateline.

Until such time as Bill Shorten appears on the Bolt Report, which Rudd and Gillard never did.

And the national broadcaster meets it's public charter.
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As a notional Labor supporter I completely agree with you. The less I see of the Liberal/National Party on my TV screens the better I like it. If the LNP bans the ABC forever I'll be mighty grateful to them.
 
Logique said:
I agree with the Q&A ban, and it should be extended further to 7:30 and Lateline.

Until such time as Bill Shorten appears on the Bolt Report, which Rudd and Gillard never did.

And the national broadcaster meets it's public charter.
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I doubt the LNP will change their mind based on Bill Shorten's adventures. The real reason for the indignation and ban is so the gay marriage debate can be starved of oxygen .. QANDA was just a convenient moment that filled a need. Malcolm will know this and break ranks because he carries a torch for homosexuals, for reasons of his own.
 
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