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Rudd has announced a billion dollar loan facility for Indonesia to help with the global down turn.

I must be very naive, but shouldn't we be fixing up the many problems here before we start helping out people in a country where many want to see Aussies pushing up daisies.

There are even some who believe that an Indonesian invasion of Australia is only a matter of time: http://www.investigatemagazine.com/june00sas.htm
 
roland said:
Rudd has announced a billion dollar loan facility for Indonesia to help with the global down turn.

I must be very naive, but shouldn't we be fixing up the many problems here before we start helping out people in a country where many want to see Aussies pushing up daisies.

There are even some who believe that an Indonesian invasion of Australia is only a matter of time: http://www.investigatemagazine.com/june00sas.htm
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Plenty of charities here been given the chop, they'll love to hear about this.

Charity starts at home especially in times like this.

Rudd has no problem throwing the surplus around.
 
roland said:
I must be very naive, but shouldn't we be fixing up the many problems here before we start helping out people in a country where many want to see Aussies pushing up daisies.
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Recent government billions committed to australia ... (note the poor journalist spelling)

The federal Government's decided to pump an extra $6.2-billion into the industry, with the aim of making it viable by 2020.
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http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2415594.htm

and the present 10.3 billion dollar family assistance package.

Here is a link to government grants/assistance packages which may not enlighten, i think.

http://www.grantslink.gov.au/Info.aspx?NodeID=3


p.s. why generalise about you know what (hint daisies).A handful of d.h`s don`t make a country.
 
I suppose it depends on what they spend it on:

Based on the 2005-2009 strategic state defence development program, the Defense Ministry says it needs 74.4 trillion rupiah ($8 billion) for this fiscal year, but the government has meanly allocated only 32.6 trillion, although this represented an increase of 15.6% on the 2006 defense budget of 28.2 trillion.

http://www.indonesiamatters.com/1128/defence-spending/
 
As someone who's lived in Jakarta most of their adult life, I can assure you much of that money will simply 'disappear' into the hands of the corrupt. Then Indonesia can happily continue on being one of the most resource rich, yet poorest countries in Asia.

Well Spent Kevin.
 
arae said:
As someone who's lived in Jakarta most of their adult life, I can assure you much of that money will simply 'disappear' into the hands of the corrupt. Then Indonesia can happily continue on being one of the most resource rich, yet poorest countries in Asia.

Well Spent Kevin.
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Interesting thanks for sharing, I bet Kevin knows that to.

Why doesnt he filter it through ther Red Cross or something.
 
Bit of political bootlicking between countries. Australia is aiming more for a push towards Asian demographics. Nothing more then a token effort but might grease some wheels for trade.

Could we see a return of certain (bali) prisoners in the near future to score more media brownie points for Rudd? Might be on the agenda. Another symbolic move that wouldn’t really achieve much, but would possibly rate highly with the public. And divert attention away from the big R word.
 
moXJO said:
Bit of political bootlicking between countries. Australia is aiming more for a push towards Asian demographics. Nothing more then a token effort but might grease some wheels for trade.

Could we see a return of certain (bali) prisoners in the near future to score more media brownie points for Rudd? Might be on the agenda. Another symbolic move that wouldn’t really achieve much, but would possibly rate highly with the public. And divert attention away from the big R word.
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$1B should buy a few favors.
 
MrBurns said:
$1B should buy a few favors.
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Why is there an ulterior motive in this action?The government may be genuine in their support of neighbouring countries.Like I give the lady nextdoor a bit of attention now and then and don`t expect any interest in return.This Kev is an all-round nice guy and has the tax payers funds at his disposal to prove it.

Beware though!Beneath the nice guy veneer is a schemer with plans for Australia that will light-up newspapers for the rest of his term as Prime Minister.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Why is there an ulterior motive in this action?The government may be genuine in their support of neighbouring countries.Like I give the lady nextdoor a bit of attention now and then and don`t expect any interest in return.This Kev is an all-round nice guy and has the tax payers funds at his disposal to prove it.
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Good Lord, I hope you had your tongue firmly in your cheek when you said this!

Maybe we should all be grateful that Mr Rudd hasn't actually obliged Indonesia with the full amount they asked for, e.g. $2 billion.
When I think of all the worthwhile uses for those funds right here in Australia I feel a bit sick, but hey, nothing to worry about. Plenty more to come.
Another 30 odd million today to further prop up ABC Learning.
Want some money? Just put your hand up.
The government doesn't mind creating a large deficit to fund all these hand outs.

I wonder if they'll still be riding so high in the polls when the handouts stop and the taxes and charges hit us in order to reduce the deficit before the next election.
 
The way I see it, if the poo really hits the fan, $1bill of bad debt to Indonesia will be the least of the government's problems (think depression). And if it doesn't get that bad, we'll get our money back plus interest in due course, which to me sounds much better than sticking it in the future fund to pay for more Telstra shares.

In reality, it's a small price to pay to help ensure Indonesia remains relatively stable. It's much better than having millions of unemployed Indonesians radicalised right on our doorstep.

The deficit isn't great, but Australia is in a much stronger position entering the crisis than many comparable nations. The fact we've managed to save (or atleast pay down debt) in good times gives us every chance of riding out the bad.

The alternative is not lending, which is *much* worse. Last week, one senior European Central Banker described not lending to each other as akin to collective suicide.
 
Its a good move.

They are a large godbothering nation.

The government keep a cap on it.

We need them to stop illegal migration by people smugglers.

They are a poor country, we are rich.

Its a good move

gg
 
I agree with it being a smart move for Australia from the 'favours' perspective. But it will do little good for the Indonesian economy. Groundhog day or a merry-go-round comes to mind.

The threat of Indonesia to Australian national security is also way overplayed. 99.99% of Indonesians are the most harmless, peace loving people you could meet. Terrorism links and training also tends to come from Malaysia and the Indonesian military are ill equiped for a game of paintball.
 
arae said:
I agree with it being a smart move for Australia from the 'favours' perspective. But it will do little good for the Indonesian economy. Groundhog day or a merry-go-round comes to mind.

The threat of Indonesia to Australian national security is also way overplayed. 99.99% of Indonesians are the most harmless, peace loving people you could meet. Terrorism links and training also tends to come from Malaysia and the Indonesian military are ill equiped for a game of paintball.
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The threat is the boat loads of illegals. Hopefully the billion will help stop that.
 
$1bn? Never mind this poor soul then:



Never mind the show trial, the refusal to test the drugs for country of origin, the subsequent burning of that evidence so it could never be used to free her, the 'judge' who had never acquitted anyone in 500 drug trials, the President urging an example to be made pre-verdict, the refusal even to collect CCTV from denpasar airport.

Never even mind the barbaric 20 YEAR sentence, more than murderers, rapists and terrorists often get. Never mind the loss of legal and human rights of an Australian citizen.

Let's just brush it under the carpet and bung them $1 billion. :banghead:

What is going on here? She is dying there, whilst the media brainwash a nation with what is nothing more than unsubstantiated smear.

Even whilst you read this, this song is buzzing around the world, but is hidden in Oz because it isn't a smear. :eek:

When are people going to wake up?
 

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