90-year-old Saudi Arabian man sues the family of his 15-year-old bride

Sean K · 8 January 2013

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Tyler Durden said:
This might cause a bit of a stir...but perhaps we should try not to superimpose our Western values on non-Western societies?

I agree; however, there are some universal human values that have developed over the past 200 years that are applicable and a 90 year old marrying a 15 year old is probably one of the things the majority of the world population would find inappropriate.

Garpal Gumnut · 8 January 2013

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kennas said:
I agree; however, there are some universal human values that have developed over the past 200 years that are applicable and a 90 year old marrying a 15 year old is probably one of the things the majority of the world population would find inappropriate.

thanks kennas.

Can you give me some global cultural and intercontinental values that have developed over the last 200 years.

I'm particularly thinking of "us" versus states like Pakistan, India, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Somalia.

Your statement is a common one but I'd like evidence for it's application.

gg

Julia · 8 January 2013

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Macquack said:
Burns, you are up to no good again.

Blame Gillard for everything.

What the f*** has Julia Gillard got to do with this?

Now, Macquack, you are quite perceptive enough to understand Mr Burns' reference to Ms Gillard.
Obviously it's with regard to the definition of misogyny. The hideous treatment of women, and young girls in India, Saudi Arabia et al deserves absolutely the label of misogyny. To apply the same word to Tony Abbott is clearly ridiculous.

Tink · 9 January 2013

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kennas said:
I agree; however, there are some universal human values that have developed over the past 200 years that are applicable and a 90 year old marrying a 15 year old is probably one of the things the majority of the world population would find inappropriate.

Very true, Kennas, but then we have the saying "age doesnt matter" bandied about, and you just have to watch our TV and news articles to wonder how much have we changed.

I may be off track here, but just my opinion.

herzy · 9 January 2013

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Garpal Gumnut said:
It provides genetic diversity as older men's spermatozoa mutate more.

gg

Excellent

herzy · 9 January 2013

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pixel said:
of course!
In the Stone Age, the tribe's survival depended on genetic variety and making sure that no sperm, no egg was wasted. Even in more recent historical times, in a region where resources were scarce and battles bloody, all members of a tribe had to band together to make sure that losses were replenished as quickly as could be.

This is not true - the whole idea of survival of the fittest/ evolution by natural selection is that there is an abundance of sperm and eggs. Hence men producing millions of sperm per day / women ovulating once a month. Actually, recycling sperm (reusing older males) would reduce 'genetic variety'...

MrBurns said:

gg you're my new press secretary

I must say there are some very intelligent responses to this issue being expressed in here, some I'd never considered.

Click to expand...

I hate to speak for GG, but I thought there was perhaps a hint of sarcasm in his response.

Julia said:

Now, Macquack, you are quite perceptive enough to understand Mr Burns' reference to Ms Gillard.
Obviously it's with regard to the definition of misogyny. The hideous treatment of women, and young girls in India, Saudi Arabia et al deserves absolutely the label of misogyny. To apply the same word to Tony Abbott is clearly ridiculous.

Click to expand...

There is a huge spectrum of misogyny - to label one man's bigotry insignificant in comparison to an obvious extreme is, in my opinion, dangerous and incorrect. We live in vastly different societies, with vastly different levels of expectation. By the standards of our society, Mr Abbott is clearly a misogynist. Interestingly enough, by the standards of Saudi society, this man is not - he is merely following the laws of his country.

MrBurns · 9 January 2013

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herzy said:
. By the standards of our society, Mr Abbott is clearly a misogynist. .

Thats is absolute rubbish, Abbott is a family man and there is absolutely no evidence that he is a misogyiyst you are just falling in line with Gillards hateful tirade.

There's a difference between fact and smear,

Gillard is a liar - fact

Abbott is a misoginyst - smear

Sean K · 9 January 2013

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Garpal Gumnut said:
thanks kennas.

Can you give me some global cultural and intercontinental values that have developed over the last 200 years.

I'm particularly thinking of "us" versus states like Pakistan, India, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Somalia.

Your statement is a common one but I'd like evidence for it's application.

gg

The values are rolled in to international law. There's a bunch of them starting with the UDHR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights

I'm not sure where this particular case fits in. It might depend on if 15 is deemed a child, or if she has 'voluntarily' agreed to marriage. I think the shocking thing in this case is the age difference which probably isn't specified anywhere as right or wrong. If the male was 20-30 this probably wouldn't have been seen to be so crazy.

Julia · 9 January 2013

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herzy said:
There is a huge spectrum of misogyny - to label one man's bigotry insignificant in comparison to an obvious extreme is, in my opinion, dangerous and incorrect. We live in vastly different societies, with vastly different levels of expectation. By the standards of our society, Mr Abbott is clearly a misogynist. Interestingly enough, by the standards of Saudi society, this man is not - he is merely following the laws of his country.

What rubbish. Explain how a man with several daughters, a female chief of staff, and a history of good relationships with his female colleagues is a 'hater of women'.

MrBurns · 9 January 2013

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Also on the ABC web site, I'll post it here rather than have more then one thread on these issues -

Rape victim faces public flogging

The president of the Maldives has called for leniency in the case of a 15-year-old alleged rape victim who could be publicly whipped for the crime of fornication.

Amnesty International says there is strong reason to believe the girl was repeatedly raped by her stepfather for years, eventually giving birth to a baby, found buried on the family's property.

Police have charged the stepfather and mother, but under sharia law, the victim also faces the charge of fornication, punishable by 100 lashes in public.

The president's spokesman has called for leniency, but Amnesty International researcher Abbas Faiz says the charges should never have been laid.

"She should actually be the person who received the support rather than being punished," he said.

If convicted, the girl would be held under house arrest until she is 18 at which time she would be publically flogged.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-09/maldives-rape-victim-facing-flogging/4457912

Sharia law needs to be outlawed...........

pixel · 9 January 2013

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MrBurns said:
Also on the ABC web site, I'll post it here rather than have more then one thread on these issues -

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-09/maldives-rape-victim-facing-flogging/4457912

Sharia law needs to be outlawed...........

Just you wait - it'll soon come to a suburb near you. Just give Hanson-Young and her band of fluffheads their way; don't check or challenge anyone who comes "across the Seas"; welcome them and afford them tolerance, love and welfare; respect their rights to hold on to their "cultural values"; and never expect them to at least leave their historic baggage at the door.
(Could've posted it in the "Religion" thread.)

MrBurns · 9 January 2013

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pixel said:
Just you wait - it'll soon come to a suburb near you. Just give Hanson-Young and her band of fluffheads their way; don't check or challenge anyone who comes "across the Seas"; welcome them and afford them tolerance, love and welfare; respect their rights to hold on to their "cultural values"; and never expect them to at least leave their historic baggage at the door.
(Could've posted it in the "Religion" thread.)

I posted this in "breaking news" maybe you didn't see it , I think you'll agree.

pixel · 10 January 2013

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MrBurns said:
I posted this in "breaking news" maybe you didn't see it , I think you'll agree.

I did see it.
I watched it in its entirety.
I agree 100%. (but I see you gathered that much ...)

Sean K · 10 January 2013

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MrBurns said:
I posted this in "breaking news" maybe you didn't see it , I think you'll agree.

pixel said:
I did see it.
I watched it in its entirety.
I agree 100%. (but I see you gathered that much ...)

He speaks well. Good post. Agree 96%.

Tink · 10 January 2013

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kennas said:
The values are rolled in to international law. There's a bunch of them starting with the UDHR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights

I'm not sure where this particular case fits in. It might depend on if 15 is deemed a child, or if she has 'voluntarily' agreed to marriage. I think the shocking thing in this case is the age difference which probably isn't specified anywhere as right or wrong. If the male was 20-30 this probably wouldn't have been seen to be so crazy.

True, Kennas. Just makes me wonder if we are going backwards or forwards.

Age gap may not be right or wrong, but it just concerns me when you look around and see single parents (men and women) dating the same age as their children or grandchildren, I feel for the kids, just my opinion.

MrBurns · 10 January 2013

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kennas said:
He speaks well. Good post. Agree 96%.

He does speak well and with clarity, there is more of him on You Tube.

DB008 · 10 January 2013

Development

Saudi court ruling divorces teenager from 90-year-old man

Manama: A Saudi ruling has put an end to a marriage between a 90-year-old man and his 15-year-old bride.

The verdict pronounced last week by a court in south western Saudi Arabia marked the conclusion of a bitter dispute between the man and his bride’s family that lasted several months.
The case started when the would-be groom proposed to the teenager and offered her parents, a Saudi father and Yemeni mother, a 45,000 riyal dowry (Dh44,074) and said that he would fund the celebrations, sources told Saudi daily Al Yawm.
The father reportedly accepted the offer and agreed to the marriage despite the huge age difference between the bride and the groom.
However, the marriage was never consummated after the bride locked herself in a room following the celebrations, and refused to allow her husband in.

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudi-court-ruling-divorces-teenager-from-90-year-old-man-1.1129265

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