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2013 Federal Election: 7 September 2013

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sydboy007 said:
How's MTs free handover of Telstra copper going?
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They're not in office yet, but they will be next week.

The valid comparison will be what they achieve over the next six years relative to what Labor has achieved in the past six.
 


In all my days I have never seen this once great Labor Party in so much termoil.

After the election defeat for Labor, they could be without a leader for 4 weeks due to recent new caucas agreemnets.

I think the major players in the Labor Party are hoping Rudd will be defeated in his own electorate to make it easier for the appointment of a new leader.

Come what may Labor will be devoid of any talent to take on any duties of shadow ministry positions.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...comes-opposition/story-fn9qr68y-1226710918267
 
noco said:
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In all my days I have never seen this once great Labor Party in so much termoil.
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I'd have to agree. Almost akin to the death throws of a sinking ship.

It has been the most shambolic, chaotic campaign I can recall and has, in some ways, been going on for over three years. Awful.

I am not enamored by any of the groups participating. None of them have been great in my view. Evasive and unrealistic. I feel totally disheartened for what purports to be political leadership. Zilch, nuthen, zip.
 
Judd said:
It has been the most shambolic, chaotic campaign I can recall and has, in some ways, been going on for over three years. Awful.
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I blame the media. What a sorry lot they are. They ask the most superficial questions and seem to spend their whole time trying to get the candidates to make "gaffes". There was a report on 7:30 last week about the media following Abbott, they are treated like mushrooms.

The pinnacle of superficiality has to be have been Kevin's walk through Melbourne yesterday where a rent-a-crowd just kept asking for "selfies".
 
I don't put the blame on the media as such. I view it as a factor of the population wants quick grabs and the participants salivate at the prospect of using the media for getting their faces noticed and their words out. They are all in the same playpen kicking sand in each others face.

It's a game and nothing more than that really - apart from the high stakes which are on the table - but it is being badly played.
 
drsmith said:
They're not in office yet, but they will be next week.

The valid comparison will be what they achieve over the next six years relative to what Labor has achieved in the past six.
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Lets see how they cope with our manufacturing sector

NB Australia is at the RHS

Oh and GDP per capita has dropped to 0.1% for the qtr, so it's doubtful households can go on another debt fuelled binge like the Howard years. No GST increasing at 8% a year, so the states can't do much for final demand, and please no negative household savings rate again.

I don't envy the Govt trying to steer the economy through the largest fall in the ToT since the Korean wool boom, but seems only fair that the one who rode the ToT coattails on the way up should help to manage things when they go in reverse.

How many deficits for the Coalition before their economic management skills become doubtful? They've pretty much said they'll have a minimum of 3. I suppose if they hit 6 then they'll not be able to complain about Labor too much any more?

Lets see if an Abbott Govt is able to achieve real per capita GDP growth of around 4.5% over the next 6 years as Labor did (15% nominal), keep work place deaths at the lowest rate in at least a decade, maybe even achieve a further ~50% reduction in work place deaths. The dysfunctional nature of the Govt has hidden quite a few of their achievements.
 

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If Labor weren't so reckless we wouldn't have had to cut foreign aid, they'll point the finger at the Libs but we all know who's to blame.
 
MrBurns said:
If Labor weren't so reckless we wouldn't have had to cut foreign aid, they'll point the finger at the Libs but we all know who's to blame.
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Dear oh dear..."slash and burn", "vicious cuts" and "cuts to the bone."

About $31.6 billion in savings were already known but today's main new cuts listed include:

*$4.5 billion cut from foreign aid.

*$650 million by "rephasing" Murray Darling Water Buyback Scheme funding over six years instead of four years

*$428 million through a further 0.25 per cent efficiency dividend on the public service which it flags will be from cutting advertising, consultancies and travel.

*$185 million from suspending connecting renewables to the grid plan until committed demand is identified.

*$200 million for not proceeding with further increase in the instant asset write-off for business to $10,000.

*$42 million from discontinuing the ACT pokie trial.

*$13 million from cutting Community Cabinet events.

*$45 million from reducing the former Department of Climate Change.

*$42 million from reducing National Low Emissions Coal Initiative.
 
Calliope said:
*$4.5 billion cut from foreign aid.
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I'm yet to see the detail on this but from what I've heard on ABC radio, it's a reduction in the rate of increase of foreign aid.

One thing I did note during the press conference is that Joe Hockey was sweating a lot. He, like most of the politicians I would suggest is looking forward to the end of this campaign.

EDIT:

The Coalition's costings.

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/09/05/1226711/803880-costings-table.pdf

The increase in foreign aid is being reduced to CPI.
 
+1. ABC devoted about three days to commentary and interviews with predictable subjects over Mr Abbott's light hearted comment about Fiona Scott having sex appeal.
For god's sake, it was a throw away remark between friends.
Rudd even dramatically declared if such a remark had been made in the commercial workplace, it would be so serious as to merit the resignation of the person making the remark.

This sort of absolute rubbish has typified Kevin Rudd's whole campaign, i.e. massive overreach.
They have persisted in claiming a $70 billion black hole for the Opposition in the face of absolutely no evidence for this. Even today, with the costings largely presented, Rudd was still refusing to admit this was wrong.
He must think the average voter is a complete idiot.

noco said:
At last the Coalititons costing are out for Labor to look for black holes or will they be game?

It is good to note the Coalition has cut back on foreign aid. Charity begins at home.
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As drsmith notes below, they have not cut back on foreign aid at all, simply reduced the rate at which foreign aid is increased in order to improve vitally necessary infrastructure here in Australia.

drsmith said:
I'm yet to see the detail on this but from what I've heard on ABC radio, it's a reduction in the rate of increase of foreign aid.
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Well said Julia, agree completely.
 
MrBurns said:
If Labor weren't so reckless we wouldn't have had to cut foreign aid, they'll point the finger at the Libs but we all know who's to blame.
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You guys are incredible, when Labor's in Govt its all there fault, everything, when the Libs are in its still Labor's fault.

Why do you insist on posting politicly bias dribble? seriously what's the point?

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One can only hope that the forces of light and hope control the Senate past June 30 - 2014, and give em hell in the mean time...pass nothing.
 

It's strange that you ask these silly questions to people you say you have on "ignore".
 

Fair enough after the election our debt becomes the fault of the Coalition, you really deserve for them to win so Labor can strip you of the last of your personal wealth to pay their bills.
 

Forces of Light an Hope???? LMAO

Who are you accusing of bias?
 
Thanks for that poll counter, dr smith.
It seems a few in Victoria in safe Labor seats may be going down.

Music to my ears this morning with this headline
Labor heading for landslide loss

One more day to go
 
Lead story on the ABC web site, if ever there was evidence of ABC bias this is it, a nothing story blown way out of proportion by Labor willingly assisted by the ABC

Labor says Coalition backflip on internet filter is proof of hidden agendas

Labor has seized on a stunning Coalition backflip on plans to enforce an opt-out internet filter, saying it shows the party has hidden agendas.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-06/labor-seizes-on-coalition-filter-backflip/4939818

What a load of crap.
 
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