That depends on which side of the political divide you are on. I am well aware that you and I are miles apart politically. Nothing either of us say can change that. Crude language from Namrog is no help. I am surprised you agree with it.No Calliope he isn't throwing a tanty. He's just reflecting the view that says being gratuitously nasty and snide about people or politicians on this forum is a bad look. I agree.
@rse is hardly a crudity these days. I believe Namrog's post is far from a tantrum, more to the point it is an expression of frustration that 90% of what you post is petty inane drivel that does not promote the discussion and is quite frankly a waste of good 1's and 0's.That depends on which side of the political divide you are on. I am well aware that you and I are miles apart politically. Nothing either of us say can change that. Crude language from Namrog is no help. I am surprised you agree with it.
It is not surprising that the dependent states Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania (see my post #826) came out so strongly for Labor. After all, Labor equals handouts.
Namrog throws a tantrum. I must have been on target.
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@rse is hardly a crudity these days.
(My bolds...)The biggest winner out of the demise ol Gillard will be Tim Mathieson. No Lodge for him, he will be able to escape the spotlight, slink back to Altona, keep his job and get a bit of whatever he fancies on the side while Julia is away in Canberra.
They will also consider their constituency though, regardless of personal leanings (no politician is above "playing the game" if it helps personal circumstance). One wonders how their vote will be impacted in their electorate if they are seen to support Labor?You'd certainly think so, given their rural origins, but after listening to both Tony Windsor and mad Bob Katter, their hatred for the National Party would appear to rule out agreeing with them.
Suspect we have at this stage little idea of the twists and turns still ahead.
There's the rub - they'd rather support a party they hate than lose the moment to basically hold the lower house to ransom by forming a voting block.And the independents certainly don't want a new election called and lose this opportunity to have a real say in how Australia is governed for the next 3 years.
(My bolds...)
Calliope we thought this was nasty and tasteless and it would have been equally so if you were talking about Tony Abbott, Bob Brown or any other politician.
JULIA Gillard will tell the three independents she needs to form government that Labor's ties with the Greens will make it easier to get laws through the Senate and maintain stability.
Julia Gillardwill be telling the independents that she has a cosy relationship with the Greens and has more to give them than Abbott. As Windsor and Oakeshott already lean to the left, I think it is all over Red Rover. These two guys may be in conservative seats but that counts for naught when you are on the make.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/el...greens-thumbs-up/story-fn5zmod2-1225909063846
They will also consider their constituency though, regardless of personal leanings (no politician is above "playing the game" if it helps personal circumstance). One wonders how their vote will be impacted in their electorate if they are seen to support Labor?
There's the rub - they'd rather support a party they hate than lose the moment to basically hold the lower house to ransom by forming a voting block.
This is Pollie Junkie heaven!!!
The AEC has a virtual tally room up as well http://vtr.aec.gov.au/. It's behind the media though, presumably because they're getting information, directly or indirectly, from scrutineers.
The indepentants are experienced politicians. This is an extremely tactical game for them and I think they will be all things to both sides until they announce their decision. Pretty difficult to read much into their statements at this stage. They seem to be enjoying the publicity and I doubt they will rush to make up their minds.
It appears the Coalition will secure 73 seats, three short of a majority in its own right. The Australian has been told, however, that the Liberals and the Nationals spent close to $2 million fighting each other in seven electorates across the country.
In the NSW seat of Riverina, the Liberals spent nearly $400,000 trying to win the seat off the Nationals following the retirement of Kay Hull, including placing two full-page advertisements in the local paper the day before polling day.
What a remarkable piece of denial LOL. The Labor Party came within an eyelash of losing government in its first term and the coalition are losers?.
Actually, have a look at the primary vote, Labor is only there because of Green preferences. The coalition did a sterling job to come from where they were to the possibility of nicking this election.
Without the liability of Barnaby Joyce, it would be in the bag IMO.
Coalition in fighting...............not so stable as Abbott would have everyone belive
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...unds-effectively/story-fn59niix-1225909104091
Agree, Sails. Certainly the three Independents are hugely enjoying themselves, even getting quite silly with their ideas e.g. Oakshott today suggesting he might "get cheeky" and put up the idea that Cabinet should be mixed from all parties. He seemed to think it might be just hunkey dory for an Abbott government to have Kevin Rudd as Foreign Minister, as just one example.I wouldn't like to say it's a done deal yet. There are several seats which are only a few hundred votes apart with only about 80% counted, so that remains a wild card, IMO. Seats supposedly "won" can easily pop back into the "doubtful" group again. As some of those seats are favouring the coalition at this stage, a change to labor could mean they don't need the independants at all.
The indepentants are experienced politicians. This is an extremely tactical game for them and I think they will be all things to both sides until they announce their decision. Pretty difficult to read much into their statements at this stage. They seem to be enjoying the publicity and I doubt they will rush to make up their minds.
That's quite true. You have to wonder if these people had instead voted properly a number of the seats currently in doubt may have been clearly decided. Hope these people will think more clearly next time.The informal vote had a bigger national swing than the coalition..
The informal vote had a bigger national swing than the coalition..
The informal vote had a bigger national swing than the coalition..
That's quite true. You have to wonder if these people had instead voted properly a number of the seats currently in doubt may have been clearly decided. Hope these people will think more clearly next time.
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