2010 Federal Election

trainspotter said:

Oh oh ... Tony has backed down and agreed to a debate on the "economics" as long as Julia agrees to meet the very next day on a Q&A in a Sydney town hall again. BIG MISTAKE !

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I know. I hope I'm proven wrong - but Tony has more to lose here than Julia.

Having said that - he has his tail up and he is on a roll when it comes to public speaking forums (and he is a confidence player).

He just needs to keep ramming home the following:

* There would NOT be 200,000 unemployed if the Coalition were in power when the GFC hit. The Coalition agreed to the majority of the stimulus but questioned the level of the latest round of spending. (Proven justifiably)

* The primary reason for Australia coming out of the GFC in such good shape goes to the strength of the economy and the decisions of previous Governments.

* I'm sick of hearing Swan and Gillard say regarding the stimulus - "I'm for jobs. I don't apologise for that. I had a job to do and I did it". Well sorry Julia - if someone is in need, buy them a coat....don't try and keep them warm by burning hundred dollar bills on the footpath. No one is doubting that you were attempting to keep Australians employed - but you are missing the point. The point is that there were a number of ways to have achieved that and the choices you made were clearly inadequate and poorly managed. Your motives are not in question but your economic credentials certainly should be.

Duckman

Coopers Sparkling is good stuff.

trainspotter said:

Oh oh ... Tony has backed down and agreed to a debate on the "economics" as long as Julia agrees to meet the very next day on a Q&A in a Sydney town hall again. BIG MISTAKE !

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Tony's confidence seems to be rising, so hopefully he will do OK. He doesn't have to waste brain power with spin which his opponent will no doubt continue to do.

I like the fact that Tony has only agreed provided Julia meets his terms and conditions. He hasn't meekly given in to her demands and taunts.

drsmith said:

Coopers Sparkling is good stuff.

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You're not wrong there Dr Zacchary!

Watched Four Corners and Lateline last night. '..Won't it be your biggest mistake (ditching Rudd) if you don't win..' said Four Corners, '..it's not about me..' came the beaming reply from Julia.

It's always been about you Ms Gillard.

On Lateline I was mightily impressed with some straight talking from regional independents Bob Catter (QLD) and Tony Windsor (NSW). Currently three indeps, might be four after the election, and some chance they'll have the balance of power in the lower house. Regional Australia strikes back!

Wayne Swan -what have you got to say about the 280,000 pensioners and retirees who can't access their frozen funds in REITS and mortgage funds, and why, because in a blind panic you decided to govt guarantee funds in the banks, leading to a run on these managed funds, and their eventual freezing.

Still frozen these REITS, with no answers for the people caught by this hasty and ill-conceived decision by Labor.

So much for the ALP's economic management of the GFC. Funny, haven't seen this featured on the (not your) ABC.

Gillard was still calling Abbott, Mr Rabbit at her launch yesterday. We are now repeatedly harangued on TV by a nasty bloke with a hard hat and a dirty face who also calls him Mr Rabbit.

Eventually Liberals will have their turn, like Labor did only because lots of people were convinced that we need change.

trainspotter said:

Oh oh ... Tony has backed down and agreed to a debate on the "economics" as long as Julia agrees to meet the very next day on a Q&A in a Sydney town hall again. BIG MISTAKE !

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TS, he really had no choice. It was either agree, on his terms, at least, or be labelled too frightened to accept.

Duckman#72 said:

I know. I hope I'm proven wrong - but Tony has more to lose here than Julia.

Having said that - he has his tail up and he is on a roll when it comes to public speaking forums (and he is a confidence player).

He just needs to keep ramming home the following:

* There would NOT be 200,000 unemployed if the Coalition were in power when the GFC hit. The Coalition agreed to the majority of the stimulus but questioned the level of the latest round of spending. (Proven justifiably)

* The primary reason for Australia coming out of the GFC in such good shape goes to the strength of the economy and the decisions of previous Governments.

* I'm sick of hearing Swan and Gillard say regarding the stimulus - "I'm for jobs. I don't apologise for that. I had a job to do and I did it". Well sorry Julia - if someone is in need, buy them a coat....don't try and keep them warm by burning hundred dollar bills on the footpath. No one is doubting that you were attempting to keep Australians employed - but you are missing the point. The point is that there were a number of ways to have achieved that and the choices you made were clearly inadequate and poorly managed. Your motives are not in question but your economic credentials certainly should be.

Duckman

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Agree, Duckman, he has plenty of ammunition to fire. I'm actually surprised that Ms Gillard appears to think she is in an unassailable position on this topic.

sails said:

Tony's confidence seems to be rising, so hopefully he will do OK. He doesn't have to waste brain power with spin which his opponent will no doubt continue to do.

I like the fact that Tony has only agreed provided Julia meets his terms and conditions. He hasn't meekly given in to her demands and taunts.

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Yes, true. And this is a sign of his increasing confidence. She has throughout the campaign, along with her colleagues been hugely more personal and unpleasant in her personal taunts toward Tony Abbott. Imo she'd have been more credible, had she left the personal stuff out.

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Yes, true. And this is a sign of his increasing confidence. She has throughout the campaign, along with her colleagues been hugely more personal and unpleasant in her personal taunts toward Tony Abbott. Imo she'd have been more credible, had she left the personal stuff out.

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Yes Julia. For weeks now, Tony has been far less "negative" and personal than the Government. It is working in his favour.

Duckman

Definately Liberal. Labor wants to bring in a NBN but still has the intent on introducing a internet filter which will restrict things that they see fit we can and can't see (human rights anyone) and also the filter will greatly reduce speeds.


"THE Gillard government has succumbed to pressure and delayed the introduction of its mandatory internet filtering scheme.

The government will wait until a review of refused classification requirements is done.

If Labor wins the upcoming election -- poised in the coming months -- this could see a 2012 start date for the controversial plan, which was introduced by former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd prior to the 2007 federal election.

The review into transparency and accountability measures into RC categories will take one year to be completed.

Legislation will then be introduced to require all ISPs to filter the RC content list. Once the legislation has passed implementing the web filter plan would take another 12 months.


The Greens yesterday urged Prime Minister Julia Gillard to put the filtering plan on hold or risk affecting Labor's election chances.

Greens Senator Scott Ludlam said the friendless net filter proposal is one policy that Labor will probably regret taking into the 2010 election.

Communications Minister Stephen Conroy today clarified that the purpose of the review is to ensure that material included in the RC category "correctly reflects current community standards".

"As the government's mandatory ISP filtering policy is underpinned by the strength of our classification system, the legal obligation to commence mandatory ISP filtering will not be imposed until the review is completed," Senator Conroy said.

The Australian Online understands the review will be headed by an independent expert in the field who will be supported by a number community assessment panels.

In conjunction with the review three of Australia's largest ISPs -- Telstra, Optus and Primus -- have agreed to block a list of child abuse URLs compiled by the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA).

"I welcome the socially responsible approach taken by some of Australia's largest ISPs. Between them they account for around 70 per cent of internet users in Australia," Senator Conroy said.

"I encourage other Australian ISPs to follow the example of these ISPs, as well as the large number of ISPs in other western democracies, who already block this abhorrent content."

Ms Gillard had backed the filtering plan. She made her support known to ABC radio this week, saying she understood public concerns over the scheme but that Senator Conroy was working to find a resolution that would be in the "right shape".

When asked if Ms Gillard had set a deadline for the filtering legislation to be introduced, Senator Conroy said: "We are prepared to spend as much time as necessary to make sure we get it right."

"The discussions we're having behind the scenes with various players are more interested in getting the implementation and the actual policy right rather than saying it's got to be done by some artificial deadline."

The filter had been opposed by US Ambassador to Australia Jeff Bleich who urged the government to ditch the plan, saying child pornographers could be captured and prosecuted without using mandatory internet filters.

RC broadly consists of illegal content but Google and various internet experts believe the list could potentially contain legitimate material."



Had to laugh at Julia Gillard's speech yesterday when she said she was speaking "off the cuff" and "from the heart". I can not post links or images yet but go to TheAge and check out Julia Gillards notes for the speech. An absolute lie her whole speech was , just a sham.
Move along Labor.

Les_Meldow said:

...Had to laugh at Julia Gillard's speech yesterday when she said she was speaking "off the cuff" and "from the heart". I can not post links or images yet but go to TheAge and check out Julia Gillards notes for the speech. An absolute lie her whole speech was , just a sham.
Move along Labor.

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Link already posted in the Gillard thread: https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=575028#post575028

Yes, the SMH photos shows the wad of papers on the lectern and another shows a stagehand putting the notes in place.

But when it is all over we can sit around a bit of blue cable thread across OZ and marvel at the joy and socio economic well being it has brung. Three cheers for the Labor Party

Duckman#72 said:

Tony gave another strong performance on Q & A. Unlike Julia who seems increasingly reliant upon worn cliches, Tony was forthright, upfront and statesmanlike in his appearance tonight.

He is meeting every challenge put to him. Even on potential "disaster categories" like gay marriage and religion, Tony's responses seem considered, measured, logical and well articulated.

It makes the arguments against having "The Mad Monk" in power almost seem ludicrous.

Before the campaign had begun, it was generally considered that Julia would "wipe the floor" with Tony at public forums/debates and media sessions. Surprisingly, Tony has hardly put a foot wrong at these events and in fact, is walking away from them with positive conversions.

Keep it up Tony.

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Abbott's performance was I thought outstanding compared to where he started from only 6 months or so ago.

I think Abbott has a very real chance of winning and wont be surprised if he gets up.

No matter his current face he puts on Abbott will remain a right wing social conservative with little vision for the future and will be the 1st prime-minister of Australia to bring that background to power.

Do we have anywhere how much this super fast internet connection is going to cost average Joe Blow per month?

And what would be monthly download limit?

Will it also count upload for the monthly allowance?

Happy said:

Do we have anywhere how much this super fast internet connection is going to cost average Joe Blow per month?

And what would be monthly download limit?

Will it also count upload for the monthly allowance?

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43 billion dollars for every man, woman and child in Australia over an 8 year period. (as long as there are no cost blowouts) Other than that ... NO.

1 gig per second. Reeeeely reeeely FAST !

Depends on what they decide on a monthly cost I suggest?

Sorry Happy ... not having a go ... but the NBN thread is working on these critical matters as we speak.

Libs did a major PUSH tonight on several TV channels and got the message across with aplomb IMO. Lost me in the middle bit for awhile but got back on track in the ending. Eyes only glazed over the once.

P.S. I am still grinning about the Ifocus post ... very clever. I dips me lid.

The link below shows just how far the Labor Party will go to deceive voters of the real facts.

http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...mments/column_labors_launch_says_no_to_labor/

Calliope said:

Gillard was still calling Abbott, Mr Rabbit at her launch yesterday.

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Haven't stopped giggling since reading this, best post on the thread

Duckman#72 said:

The primary reason for Australia coming out of the GFC in such good shape goes to the strength of the economy and the decisions of previous Governments.

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What was it that people were saying about politics and spin?

China is very much the overhwelming factor that has driven our economic performance under both governments - either government trying to take credit for this, and anyone actually believing them, merely shows how easily manipulated the Australian electorate is.

noco said:

The link below shows just how far the Labor Party will go to deceive voters of the real facts.

http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...mments/column_labors_launch_says_no_to_labor/

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I wander if there is enough bad things done to get Labor party deregistered, tradesmen or other professionals doing similar things are.

I know, not possible just a thought thou.

I loved this headline in the Brisbane Courier-Mail this morning;

Labor to Teach Financial Skills

Students across Australia would learn about mobile phone contracts and credit card fees under Labor's plans to improve day-to-day financial literacy.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard will today announce that if her Government is re-elected, students from kindergarten to Year 10, will be taught more about managing their finances.

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How arrogant is this woman???

Abbott gave her the opportunity to debate the economy for half an hour last night. She didn't turn up. Now she is planning to gatecrash Abbott's time at the forum tonight to demand a debate.

JULIA Gillard will try to gatecrash Tony Abbott as he faces undecided voters again in a second "people's forum", this time taking place in front of Kevin Rudd's home fans....


...Mr Abbott will face them for one hour from 6pm (AEST), then Ms Gillard will face them from 7:30pm.

But Ms Gillard is still trying to pressure Mr Abbott into a formal debate on the economy. She has said she will turn at the venue at 6pm sharp, ready for that debate. If Mr Abbott refuses, she will wait her turn at the forum.

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http://www.news.com.au/features/fed...-town-hall-forum/story-fn5tas5k-1225906594356

How rude - hopefully this backfires on her...