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And thanks for the kind comments on my observations on what has been going on this thread.
The only party that actually puts up some clear policies along the above lines is The Greens (Boo, hiss, Bxxxxx communist/fascist ratbags... Let's get the abuse over with quickly shall we.. )
basilio, anything sensible you may have said is negated by this stupidity;
If you wish to set out your reasons for your support of the Greens I have started a thread for that purpose. I await you response with interest. Green's supporters among ASF members are naturally thin on the ground.The only party that actually puts up some clear policies along the above lines is The Greens (Boo, hiss, Bxxxxx communist/fascist ratbags... Let's get the abuse over with quickly shall we.. )
I just assumed from the title it was another opportunity to smear anything left of Genghis Khan.
Who is Patsy?I completely enjoyed Laurie Oakes this Morning:
Laurie " So six weeks ago you could not wait to get rid of Kevin Rudd as he was seen as a liabilty to the Labor Party?"
Patsy " Yes that is rigHt Laurie"
Laurie "So what has changed that you now need him back to bolster your campaign to be re-elected?"
Patsy : DEAFENING SILENCE !
Not quite sure what you are saying trainspotter. Would you like to recheck your comment and perhaps clarify ?
Who is Patsy?
Laurie Oakes' observation, of course, is what is making the Labor Party look so foolish.
Sorry basilio ...... very bad Cybil moment there. What I was trying to get across (inadequately) was that people have differences of opinions in a topical conversation all the time. Just because you do not get the answers you want or are heckled with obtuse and vitriolic comments does not mean you should give up. Hope this clarifies what I was not trying to say.
An elderly Chinese woman had two large pots each hung on the ends of a pole which she carried across her neck.
One of the pots had a crack in it while the other pot was perfect and always delivered a full portion of water.
At the end of the long walks from the stream to the house the cracked pot arrived only half full.
For a full two years this went on daily with the woman bringing home only one and a half pots of water.
Of course the perfect pot was proud of its accomplishments.
But the poor cracked pot was ashamed of its own imperfection and miserable that it could only do half of what it had been made to do.
After two years of what it perceived to be bitter failure it spoke to the woman one day by the stream.
"I am ashamed of myself because this crack in my side causes water to leak out all the way back to your house."
The old woman smiled "Did you notice that there are flowers on your side of the path but not on the other pot's side?"
"That's because I have always known about your flaw so I planted flower seeds on your side of the path and every day while we walk back you water them."
"For two years I have been able to pick these beautiful flowers to decorate the table.
Without you being just the way you are there would not be this beauty to grace the house."
Each of us has our own unique flaw. But it's the cracks and flaws we each have that make our lives together so very interesting and rewarding.
You've just got to take each person for what they are and look for the good in them.
SO to all of my crackpot friends have a great day and remember to smell the flowers on your side of the path!
Thanks for the clarification. I don't mind discussing ideas and I hopeI can see other arguments.
I'm not that impressed however with reflex abuse and I wish there was less of it in some parts of this forum. At some stage I also try and see if other people are willing or have the capacity to recognize some fundamental facts that should be the starting points for a particular discussion. If I don't think that is there I guess there is not going to be a fruitful conversation.
For example. There have been some long and very heated threads on climate change in this forum. On almost all the credible scientific evidence to date our civilizations production of greenhouse gases is creating a monstrous problem. And even if the evidence wasn't 100% certain prudent thinking would say "Let's take appropriate action because the downside of being wrong and not doing so will be horrendous".
But in this forum and around the world the relentless personal abuse and a refusal to accept well understood scientific knowledge and then physical data (temperature readings, climate observations ) has crippled this debate.
I wish I had an answer for this.
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...asion-halftruths-and-spin-20100808-11q54.html
An unhealthy blend of evasion, half-truths and spin
August 9, 2010 by Paul Sheehan
...I chose this exchange, out of dozens of alternatives, because it is indicative of a prime minister who, under pressure, appears incapable of giving a straight answer. Gillard came into Parliament as an ardent left-wing firebrand but has gone so far beyond the pragmatism required of politics she manages to be everywhere yet nowhere. She distorts or evades issues repeatedly, compulsively and without shame.
...I can't vouch for his estimate, but it sits plausibly with the pattern of Whitlamesque excesses that have been the hallmark of the Rudd-Gillard government.
The federal government presents the fiction that it is a font of efficient compassion on healthcare. When the federal Minister of Health, Nicola Roxon, released a summary of RuddCare's proposed reforms on July 7, her statement concluded with a preposterous claim: ''These measures build on the50 per cent increase in hospital funding by the government.''
Fifty per cent? How about zero? Lifting the federal government's share of spending on the health system from 40 per cent to 60 per cent simply represented a shift of 20 per cent of health spending from state governments to Canberra. It was a shift in power, not a 50 per cent surge in spending.
Roxon and Gillard have both repeated ad nauseam the accusation the Howard government, and Abbott in particular, ''stripped a billion dollars out of the hospital system''. It cannot withstand scrutiny.
When the Howard government introduced a tax rebate on private health insurance, it took pressure off the public hospitals as people moved to private care. The government was able to move $1 billion, earmarked for public hospitals, to tax relief for health insurance payments. It was a shift of spending, not a reduction.
So great is the growing gap between rhetoric and reality that Gillard not answering simple questions is a symptom of something much deeper: an abdication of public honesty in the pursuit of power.
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Thanks for the clarification. I don't mind discussing ideas and I hopeI can see other arguments.
I'm not that impressed however with reflex abuse and I wish there was less of it in some parts of this forum. At some stage I also try and see if other people are willing or have the capacity to recognize some fundamental facts that should be the starting points for a particular discussion. If I don't think that is there I guess there is not going to be a fruitful conversation.
For example. There have been some long and very heated threads on climate change in this forum. On almost all the credible scientific evidence to date our civilizations production of greenhouse gases is creating a monstrous problem. And even if the evidence wasn't 100% certain prudent thinking would say "Let's take appropriate action because the downside of being wrong and not doing so will be horrendous".
But in this forum and around the world the relentless personal abuse and a refusal to accept well understood scientific knowledge and then physical data (temperature readings, climate observations ) has crippled this debate.
I wish I had an answer for this.
How utterly pompous.
Apparently:
1/ "Evidence" for one point of view is more valuable than the opposing point of view.
And even if the evidence wasn't 100% certain prudent thinking would say "Let's take appropriate action because the downside of being wrong and not doing so will be horrendous".
SO to all of my crackpot friends have a great day and remember to smell the flowers on your side of the path!
wikipedia said:A calliope is a musical instrument that produces sound by sending a gas, originally steam or more recently compressed air, through large whistles, originally locomotive whistles.
A calliope is typically very loud. Even some small calliopes are audible for miles around. There is no provision for varying the tone or loudness. The only expression possible is the timing and duration of the notes.
Apologies for the off-topic digression ladies and gents, but this is pure gold.
Calliope you could not have chosen a better user-name for yourself.
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