2010 Federal Election

explod · 4 August 2010

After my distribution of preferences on the poll of this thread the Libs now lead by 70%

So a real analysis of the truth will not be seen here.

Just heard Abbot is going to get the seniors back into work. The Grandchildren will not be too happy at losing jobs over this.

DB008 · 4 August 2010

Did an early vote yesterday as l am moving house (and state) tomorrow.
Took about 5 minutes.

IFocus · 4 August 2010

drsmith said:
The message on that became somewhat confusing with the release of his revised maternity leave scheme,

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-elect...-coalitions-economic-woes-20100803-115g5.html

I suspect that by "budget position" he was referring to debt on the government balance sheet rather than the annual income statement.

It wasn't clear though and this is something where he has to be absolutely clear.

I agree though that from a tax perspective, it's bad policy. Sound tax policy is sadly lacking from both sides in this campaign.

I don't think its likely to see daylight (maternity leave scheme) if Abbott gets up, seems it was used as a circuit breaker to get him into the game with the women's vote.

Given he isn't being the real Tony (running from the debate) I guess we will have to wait if the Liberals get in to see the ego get unleashed.

Fascinating watching Abbott play the small target.

noco · 4 August 2010

overhang said:
Polling on Fairfax and News corp sites doesn't work that way anymore. Your IP is logged to ensure a single vote per IP. Now it will appear that you voted as you will have the option to vote again because your cookies are deleted however your vote wont count. I presume this is to give users voting under the same IP the impression there vote counted however this is not the case.
However a proxy server or static IP can be used to get around this but that's out of the average voters capability's, but yes in a nutshell online polling should be taken as a grain of salt.

No trouble voting twice or more in Federal and State elections.

Anyone can go from one polling both to another and vote ten times if you want to or even vote for a deceased person. No ID required. Just front up state your name or a deceased person and bingo you get your slip no questions asked.

I can't beleive with modern technology that this sort of rort is still allowed to exist and it is well known and proven in the last Queensland state election that some Labor supporters voted in this manner. The trouble was the rorters were investigated by the rorters.

explod · 4 August 2010

noco said:
No trouble voting twice or more in Federal and State elections.

Anyone can go from one polling both to another and vote ten times if you want to or even vote for a deceased person. No ID required. Just front up state your name or a deceased person and bingo you get your slip no questions asked.

I can't beleive with modern technology that this sort of rort is still allowed to exist and it is well known and proven in the last Queensland state election that some Labor supporters voted in this manner. The trouble was the rorters were investigated by the rorters.

Maybe, but your name is physically crossed off a copy roll and the rolls are brought together later and audited so I do not think you know what you are talking about.

pilots · 4 August 2010

Explod, this is the trouble, what if I voted twenty times in your electorate, and each time I use your name. Now what would happen if say the xyz party gets in by 19 votes, will we have a whole new election, and what are they going to charge you with??? voting twenty times. This is only one off the problems we have with this voting system we have.

explod · 4 August 2010

pilots said:
Explod, this is the trouble, what if I voted twenty times in your electorate, and each time I use your name. Now what would happen if say the xyz party gets in by 19 votes, will we have a whole new election, and what are they going to charge you with??? voting twenty times. This is only one off the problems we have with this voting system we have.

It would soon be realised and good investigators can smell whats going on from questioning and I am sure there would be some set ups to catch them out at the next election.

What you say sound feasible in theory but pretty sure that most voters are reasonably honest.

To change an election it would take thousands of voters in many electorates to change results unless they are close to deadlock.

drsmith · 4 August 2010

IFocus said:
I don't think its likely to see daylight (maternity leave scheme) if Abbott gets up, seems it was used as a circuit breaker to get him into the game with the women's vote.

Given he isn't being the real Tony (running from the debate) I guess we will have to wait if the Liberals get in to see the ego get unleashed.

Fascinating watching Abbott play the small target.

The same could be said about the leaders and policies from both sides.

IFocus · 4 August 2010

drsmith said:
The same could be said about the leaders and policies from both sides.

Yes a real boring election but with polls flowing to Abbott so Labors change in tactics to try and bring Abbott out might liven things up a little....hopefully

I think at this point Abbott might get up

Julia · 4 August 2010

DocK said:
I think you assume a lack of intelligence amongst posters on the DJ's thread that is not necessarily so.

I am absolutely not assuming any lack of intelligence on the DJ's thread and would ask you not to make such incorrect assumptions about what I was thinking. On the contrary, there have been many insightful comments on that thread.

I for one understood perfectly where you were coming from, and doubt that I'm alone there, but felt that your linking of this issue was off topic and diverting the gist of that thread, so ignored the post over there.

I did say:

With apologies for somewhat diverting from the topic, but on the subject of being precious,

However, you're quite entitled to complain about the comment being off topic because it didn't have direct reference to DJ's. I'm very sorry.

noco · 4 August 2010

explod said:
Maybe, but your name is physically crossed off a copy roll and the rolls are brought together later and audited so I do not think you know what you are talking about.

explod, I do know what I am talking about because it did happen in the last state election.

If I place a legitimate vote in my name and some one else uses my name to vote in another ten polling booths, how can they prove it was me. The eleven rolls are marked off and one candiddate gets another 10 votes. Now as you say, the rolls are physically marked off and audited later, but how do the officals know how those votes were placed against a certain candidate? They would not have a clue. My vote could be for one candidte and the other ten might have been placed against an opposing candidate It's a rort and you know as most others do that the criminal factor in some Labor Party branches know how to exploit the system.

I will prove my point at the coming election and vote for a deceased friend of mine who passed away last month. His name will still be on the roll and the officials at the polling booth in my area would not have a clue. I will then go to another booth and do the same thing. So tell me explod, how will the officails contact a deceased person or even pin it on me.

I will let you know the results after the election OK!!!!!!!!!!

sails · 5 August 2010

Devils inside hidden Green agenda

...If the Greens get their way we'll have huge industries banned, businesses driven broke and power prices driven through the roof, with not enough electricity for what industries will be left.

So, with our income slashed to ribbons, what do the Greens propose? Not deep cuts in every government program but a spending spree to make Kevin Rudd seem a miser...

...Yet the Greens plan to do their best to attract more people to their new nation of freeloaders. Any "asylum seeker" making it here by boat would be freed into the community within 14 days, security checks permitting, and rewarded with benefits, medical services and school for children. These goodies will be offered to "environmental refugees", too....

It's a worry...

Full story here: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/el...den-green-agenda/story-fn5zmod2-1225894722878

Calliope · 5 August 2010

Only a fraction of the 390,000 Queenslanders missing from the electoral roll have enrolled. A campaign to get people to enroll only picked up 23,000 new voters or changed details.

This is helpful to the Coalition as the dimwits who didn't bother to enrol would normally be left-leaning voters.

DocK · 5 August 2010

Please excuse my ignorance, but how does the electoral roll (or equivalent) work in other countries? In the USA for instance, where voting is optional, do they have a system that prevents people from voting more than once? Seems very odd to me that in these days of ubertechnology we do not have a nationwide data base that is electronically "checked off" when you vote so that there is no option to use the same identity at another location. Perhaps I should pitch the idea to the Govt, go public, have an IPO and post under the "Stocks" forum??

Mofra · 5 August 2010

DocK said:
Please excuse my ignorance, but how does the electoral roll (or equivalent) work in other countries? In the USA for instance, where voting is optional, do they have a system that prevents people from voting more than once? Seems very odd to me that in these days of ubertechnology we do not have a nationwide data base that is electronically "checked off" when you vote so that there is no option to use the same identity at another location. Perhaps I should pitch the idea to the Govt, go public, have an IPO and post under the "Stocks" forum??

In the US they tend to have state-based systems, if my memory of the Florida scandal is correct.
Iraq had a fingerprint system, where people who finally voted for the first time in their lives would proudly display their ink-stained fingers for the camera.
In some African countries, whoever can stuff the ballot box the quickest usually wins. It's amazing that such poor countries with a lack of transport and infrastructure can still manage a 130% turnout for their elections

DocK · 5 August 2010

Mofra said:
...snip...

It's amazing that such poor countries with a lack of transport and infrastructure can still manage a 130% turnout for their elections

I don't know whether our system of compulsory voting is ideal or not, but at least it works better than some

overhang · 5 August 2010

noco said:
explod, I do know what I am talking about because it did happen in the last state election.

If I place a legitimate vote in my name and some one else uses my name to vote in another ten polling booths, how can they prove it was me. The eleven rolls are marked off and one candiddate gets another 10 votes. Now as you say, the rolls are physically marked off and audited later, but how do the officals know how those votes were placed against a certain candidate? They would not have a clue. My vote could be for one candidte and the other ten might have been placed against an opposing candidate It's a rort and you know as most others do that the criminal factor in some Labor Party branches know how to exploit the system.

I will prove my point at the coming election and vote for a deceased friend of mine who passed away last month. His name will still be on the roll and the officials at the polling booth in my area would not have a clue. I will then go to another booth and do the same thing. So tell me explod, how will the officails contact a deceased person or even pin it on me.

I will let you know the results after the election OK!!!!!!!!!!

Ive never given it much thought but your exactly right, even though they would know you voted twice at the end of the day they cannot prove which votes are which hence they are counted.
Now and maybe Julia could answer this but wouldn't the rorting be even more prolific in NZ as voting is not compulsory but enrollment is. Now I would assume that the majority of people living in housing commission would be in the 20% of non voters allowing others to vote using their name and this would be undetectable.
Electronic voting anyone?

pilots · 5 August 2010

Overhang, what would happen if I voted 30 times, and ABC party got in to power with say 15 votes, do we hold a new election???

explod · 5 August 2010

noco said:
explod, I do know what I am talking about because it did happen in the last state election.

If I place a legitimate vote in my name and some one else uses my name to vote in another ten polling booths, how can they prove it was me. The eleven rolls are marked off and one candiddate gets another 10 votes. Now as you say, the rolls are physically marked off and audited later, but how do the officals know how those votes were placed against a certain candidate? They would not have a clue. My vote could be for one candidte and the other ten might have been placed against an opposing candidate It's a rort and you know as most others do that the criminal factor in some Labor Party branches know how to exploit the system.

I will prove my point at the coming election and vote for a deceased friend of mine who passed away last month. His name will still be on the roll and the officials at the polling booth in my area would not have a clue. I will then go to another booth and do the same thing. So tell me explod, how will the officails contact a deceased person or even pin it on me.

I will let you know the results after the election OK!!!!!!!!!!

Well the system works because most people are basically honest, if you are not then I cannot help that.

When you front to vote you are asked (and required by law) to give your full name and your address. If you are prepared to give the full name and address of the deceased then you have lost me pal.

I do think it is a good reason for all persons over eighteen to have full photo and signature ID.

Julia · 5 August 2010

overhang said:
Ive never given it much thought but your exactly right, even though they would know you voted twice at the end of the day they cannot prove which votes are which hence they are counted.
Now and maybe Julia could answer this but wouldn't the rorting be even more prolific in NZ as voting is not compulsory but enrollment is. Now I would assume that the majority of people living in housing commission would be in the 20% of non voters allowing others to vote using their name and this would be undetectable.
Electronic voting anyone?

Sorry, overhang, like you, I've never thought about it until noco brought it up, and I've been away from NZ for 18 years. As I recall voting in NZ, it was as it is here in that you turn up, give your details, and are crossed off the list.
Is electronic voting rortproof? Wasn't it electronic voting that allowed George W. to get in unfairly?

explod said:
I do think it is a good reason for all persons over eighteen to have full photo and signature ID.

Yes, that should be required when the roll is marked off. Good idea.

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