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2005 and Beyond:The BEAR is BACK?

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From a speech given by Hon. Ron Paul, a US congressman....

"....We face a coming financial crisis. Our current account deficit is more than $600 billion annually. Our foreign debt is more than $3 trillion. Foreigners now own over $1.4 trillion of our Treasury and mortgage debt. We must borrow $3 billion from foreigners every business day to maintain our extravagant spending. Our national debt now is increasing $600 billion per year, and guess what, we print over $600 billion per year to keep the charade going. But there is a limit and I’m fearful we’re fast approaching it....."

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2005/cr091505.htm
 
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Hurricane Rita looks poised to strike Texas. With high temps in the gulf, watch for her to increase in intensity. There's a lot of oil and gas resources in her path too apparently.

Short USD, long gold and resources (obviously not with assets in the gulf) IMO.
 
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French claim Fed chairman admits US has lost control of budget

By Philip Thornton, Economics Correspondent in Washington
Published: 26 September 2005

Bitter disagreements over global economic policy broke out into the open yesterday as the French Finance Minister claimed that Alan Greenspan had admitted America had "lost control" of its budget while China warned the US to drop demands for radical economic policy changes.

In an extraordinary revelation after a meeting between Thierry Breton and Mr Greenspan, M. Breton told reporters: "'We have lost control,' that was his [Mr Greenspan's] expression.

"The US has lost control of their budget at a time when racking up deficits has been authorised without any control [from Congress]," M. Breton said.

"We were both disappointed that the management of debt is not a political priority today. The situation that is creating tension today on the currency market ... is clearly the American deficit.".......

http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article315144.ece
 
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31st of Jan is a date to mark down on your calendar - its the Date that US Fed Alan Greenspan retires.

When Greenspan first tookover in August 1987, within two months the stockmarkets crashed. He was lucky, at that time fundamentals were on the improve after two decades of intermittent recessions so a recovery was on the cards. Bernanke is not in the same position - the US has only experienced 1 recession in the last 20 years (1991), and there are many factors which point to the good times fundamentally coming to an end.

Some exerpts from an author I read a lot of;


Full article http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P133283.asp

After finishing my assignment on Global Markets yesterday I am coming to the conclusion that there is just too much risk out there to the downside.

Either way, the next 6 months are going to be crucial
 
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Re: 2005 and Beyond:The BEAR is BACK ?

Aust looking to open trade with India.

Bears are overlooking opportunity.
Fortunately the Govt isnt.
Aust is in the fortunate position of becoming an economic leader in the region with its wealth in Commodities.

The US may crash in Australia it will eventually be a matter of "Who cares".
Watch the investment pour in as companies fall over themselves to get a piece of the action.

Now only Asia and China to go.
 
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tech/a said:
The US may crash in Australia it will eventually be a matter of "Who cares".

If the US crashes, it will hurt. Make no mistake.

The US crashing will be felt far and wide. Here, India, China, Timbuktu.

Cheers
 
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Agree with you Tech in the long trerm the changes will come.

Meanwhile in the short term there will be some pain to go thru, with the US trying to hold on with all it's got. As Wayne says we are all linked, we can't avoid it.
 
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Wayne.

While I agree,in the initial short term have you actually considered the positive effects a crash in the US of A could have (actually a solid downturn prolonged would be enough) on not only emerging economies but Australias while everyone falls over themselves to fill holes the US will leave.

Any crash in the US $ will have Aus looking pretty good for investment.
 
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Absolutely Tech. A good cleansing recession would be a fantastic thing long term.

I look at it this way: the bush is overgrown diseased and struggling against itself. It needs a bloody good pruning. Chop off all the dead wood, trim it back hard AND WATCH IT GROW THEN.

It' nature....we need a recession .... a good one!
 
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Guys 2008 after Beijing Olympics, thats when the Big Recession starts imo...
 
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michael_selway said:
Guys 2008 after Beijing Olympics, thats when the Big Recession starts imo...

what makes u think that a recession would wait for the olympics...??

metals and DOW looking shaky at the moment...
 
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nizar said:
what makes u think that a recession would wait for the olympics...??

metals and DOW looking shaky at the moment...

We are talking about a big recession bear market

not a short term "correction" which happens anytime and more frequently

Why Beijing Olympics? Because the huge China Demand currently is driven by that atm imo, so after that it may slow alot, while supply is increasing as everyone trying to increase production to cash in on the high commodity/energy prices.

Btw an interesting article

http://www.gold.org/value/news/article/3474


So I wonder what happens to GOLD after Beijing Olympics in 2008?
 
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I agree with you 100% wayne. Sometimes in order to move forward we need to move back first. As you say it is natural law. A classic example was Keatings "recession we had to have " although IMO we would have had it irrespective of what keating said or did.

The All Ordinaries has traditionally correlated well to Wall St movents in the past 100 years. Why should it be any different this time? The simple answer is that it won't.
 
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Again I agree wayne.

However I feel there are enough growth factors within the region directly affecting our economy that a duplicate longterm following of any strong down turn in the US wont occur.
Sure there will be reaction but not to the same extent as would be expected had there not been extended continuing growth in the three majors (India,China,Asia).

Olympics--China is bigger than Bejing.

I still believe the influence of these expanding economies has been way underestimated.
When China wanted Steel a year or so ago supplies in Australia ran out!

Demand from these 3 hasnt even registered on the Richer scale!
 
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G'day tech/a

I agree with you in that we will be tied to and should be looking at the CIA in the long term.

However, I think we are still very influenced by the US market and if and when it goes down then we will hurt for the same time that it does, but hopefully not to the same degree (because of our CIA markets).

I'll get on my old hobbyhorse now and stress that we should keep control of our commodities and not sell them off to the Chinese etc for a short term gain.

The Chinese are smart in that they see that if they own the companies that mine our countries assets they can control the prices.

At the moment these assets are the best thing Australia has got going for itself, especially since we will never compete in manufacturing.

Demand for all raw materials will be greater than the available supply in the long run and Australia should postion itself to maximise the gains from the ensuing higher prices.

We don't need to mine all our raw materials now. The longer they stay in the ground the more valuable they become in the future.

We should do just as the Chinese do - plan for the long, long term and not waste what we have for short term gains.

Ahhhh - that's better!

Cheers

Dutchie
 
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well said dutchie. couldn't agree more.

problem with western governments though- that will never happen. Furthest out any Australian govt cares is the next election in my opinion
hopefully that will eventually change, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it!
 
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It amazes me how shortsighted we are when it comes to commodities.

For example, natural gas. We've got plenty at the moment but seem determined to sell virtually the whole lot over the next few decades at relatively low prices. Then around 2030 it's expected that Australian gas production will enter its' terminal decline with even much of the post-peak production being exported. Dumb. Absolutely dumb. Gas is already seriously depleted in North America, Western Europe (except Norway) and New Zealand. So we're determined to end up the same within the lifetime of most on this forum.

North-West Shelf - mostly for export apart from a 25 year supply reserved for current rates of use in WA.

Timor Sea - practically all for export.

Cooper basin - already in decline.

Bass Strait - already about half depleted (gas) and 90% depleted for oil.

Meanwhile we'll need more gas in future than now as a replacement for oil. Already we're planning to import it from PNG but that hasn't stopped us from moving to waste it generating electricity for which alternatives (coal, renewables) are cheaper anyway (Queensland has what amounts to a subsidised (by consumers) scheme to encourage more gas use for electricity generation) whilst NSW has other policies which encourage a very similar outcome. Hmm...

There are several commodities I could have chosen to make the point, not just gas although that's one of the more immediate problems.
 
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Dutchie.

Make a commodity rare enough and there will be an alternative (Not the commodity) found by those needing it.

If Oil became as rare as RHourseS then you bet they would find a way to run on water (been done I think).
Sure be tactical but dont let opportunity pass you by.Find the balance.

With so much Nuclear waste I'm supprised a recycling alternative hasnt been found---when it is those who have stored it will be Extremely wealthy in and out!
 
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wavepicker said:
The All Ordinaries has traditionally correlated well to Wall St movents in the past 100 years. Why should it be any different this time? The simple answer is that it won't.

this may be so...
but look at dow and s&p500 for the last 2 years and compare to asx200 and all ords...

that said... the 4 most dangerous words in investing are: "Its different this time"
 
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