Will China end up owning the World?

[CanOz]

It might seem so simple as to just get implement the changes they want. The problem is they don't have much control over the underlings. The underlings are motivated by sheer greed. That's why the 'build build build' works so well, its open to kick backs. The entire economy runs on kick backs.

There are entire industrial estates of empty factories (i saw this in all 3 of the town/cities i lived in, so imagine the scale of whats out there). When i started asking questions about renting some of them, to store goods (think legitimate business ), i always got the same answer....'they're not interested in renting it out'. So they just sit there, rottng away.

You see money is made in China by building things, banking the kick backs and moving on.....In the meantime the assets sit there and rust, or get washed away by the acid rain. If there is ever going to be another boom in China, it will be when all these assets are completed gone, crumbled into the earth and rebuilding begins again.

 

[Tisme]

Is that right?

I heard from some expert that slavery, colonialism, and other forgettable tools of empires were involved.

There's that too

 

[qldfrog]

It might seem so simple as to just get implement the changes they want. The problem is they don't have much control over the underlings. The underlings are motivated by sheer greed. That's why the 'build build build' works so well, its open to kick backs. The entire economy runs on kick backs.

There are entire industrial estates of empty factories (i saw this in all 3 of the town/cities i lived in, so imagine the scale of whats out there). When i started asking questions about renting some of them, to store goods (think legitimate business ), i always got the same answer....'they're not interested in renting it out'. So they just sit there, rottng away.

You see money is made in China by building things, banking the kick backs and moving on.....In the meantime the assets sit there and rust, or get washed away by the acid rain. If there is ever going to be another boom in China, it will be when all these assets are completed gone, crumbled into the earth and rebuilding begins again.

Interesting perspective from some trusted source, so basically the ghost cities are matched in industrial RE.
I was not aware but makes sense in the overall context: why would industrial RE be different from units and flats
Thanks Canoz

 

[dutchie]

China upset because they were outbribed.


South China Sea: Hague judges may have been influenced by money, Chinese official says

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-...er-south-china-sea-after-hague-ruling/7625114

 

[McLovin]

China is a rising power and the US has her eastern approaches encircled with military bases. The problem in the South China Sea is the same as when the Europeans/US had NATO butting up against Russia. The problem at the moment is that the two are feeding off each other. China makes territorial claim, near neighbour wants closer ties (militarily) with US, China becomes more belligerent about its claims, near neighbour wants US air base.

 

[Tisme]

Is that right?

I heard from some expert that slavery, colonialism, and other forgettable tools of empires were involved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_imperialism

 

[Tisme]

China is a rising power and the US has her eastern approaches encircled with military bases. The problem in the South China Sea is the same as when the Europeans/US had NATO butting up against Russia. The problem at the moment is that the two are feeding off each other. China makes territorial claim, near neighbour wants closer ties (militarily) with US, China becomes more belligerent about its claims, near neighbour wants US air base.

If the US isn't already pulling out of China, it has one more reason to do so.... China could find itself going backwards as India and other new manufacturing regions get preferred treatment.

 

[McLovin]

If the US isn't already pulling out of China, it has one more reason to do so.... China could find itself going backwards as India and other new manufacturing regions get preferred treatment.

Rising labour costs in China have been pushing more manufacturing back to the US for a few years now.

I don't see India taking over anytime soon. If there's two things China does well it's roast duck and centrally planned government. India on the other hand is a planners worst nightmare. Vindaloo ain't bad though.

 

[luutzu]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_imperialism

See, got to give credit where credit's due. Other civilisations are just as capable of "civilising" barbarians (and taking their lives, culture, and stuff).

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It's funny how the US is citing international laws to make a big deal out of China taking over the seas around its borders. I mean, the US isn't a signatory to the UN convention on the seas - where they define exclusive economic zones, don't go into people's waters. That and, you know, who pays attention to what the UN or other international tribunals says wars, invasion and WMD anyway? Not the US.

The world is going to be in a lot of trouble with this Chinese situation.

From the thinking of (ancient) Chinese strategists to Machiavelli to Chomsky... a superpower like the US isn't going to let China (or any state) get away with not kowtowing to its authority. You just cannot do as you please and get away with it. Great Powers politics (and Mafia doctrine) ain't going to let China do this.

What to do? You can't invade, you can't really buy off the neighbours, can't really bankrupt it - and it's setting up its own international connections and banks; you're busy all over the place while the enemy is focusing on one region.

So, global hegemony, total destruction, or give the other guy their sphere of influence.

 

[Tisme]

What to do? .

by the US ...what the CIA have done effectively for a long time now.

 

[luutzu]

Rising labour costs in China have been pushing more manufacturing back to the US for a few years now.

I don't see India taking over anytime soon. If there's two things China does well it's roast duck and centrally planned government. India on the other hand is a planners worst nightmare. Vindaloo ain't bad though.

If you could centrally ruled successfully, there'll be more ducks to roast. The Chinese has been roasting ducks for a very long while now - with a brief intermission from Europe - something the Chinese is apparently trying to correct.



See that tiny little Qin state to the left? The size of Rome or Britain? Back then it was a remnant of the Chou empire, then got busy annexing the other states, then spread all over the place - with modern China being about 90% of this little Qin (Ch'in) empire at its largest.

A country that managed to do that know a bit more than just roasting ducks and being fat and corrupt Commies.

If you compare the Han Dynasty to the Roman Empire... Han (and later dynasties) were actually more unified and better governed than Rome. The Roman Empire up to Constantine (around same number of years as the Han lasted) passes through many different families and many civil wars.

Compare that to Han's only one minor interruption/usurpation in the middle of its 400 years and you can't tell me Rome know how to better subjugate and unify its various states and provinces into one entity.

A lot of Western "thinkers" are way too dismissive of China. Maybe the current comrades aren't at the calibre of their ancestors... but they're ballsy enough to give the US both middle fingers.

 

[luutzu]

by the US ...what the CIA have done effectively for a long time now.

Yea... but I have a feeling the Comrades in Beijing wouldn't be sitting quietly if they see too many protests and human rights stuff all of a sudden in their Middle Kingdom.

They might even start talking to a few activists and White supremacists and Southerner in the land of the free. Heck, they don't even need to arm those guys - just moral support and point where those open carry guns should aim at.

This is why you don't do endless war abroad and beggar your own people at home.

 

[SirRumpole]

Is our free trade agreement with China hazardous to our health ?


Asbestos has been found in building materials imported from China.


Along with previous reports of poisoned milk and substandard steel, I reckon we don't need cheap Chinese cr.p.


http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/content/s4501124.htm

 

[Tisme]

Is our free trade agreement with China hazardous to our health ?


Asbestos has been found in building materials imported from China.


Along with previous reports of poisoned milk and substandard steel, I reckon we don't need cheap Chinese cr.p.


http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/content/s4501124.htm

Rather clever really, shipping their rubbish of shore infused in a secondary material, 5% at a time..

 

[sptrawler]

Is our free trade agreement with China hazardous to our health ?


Along with previous reports of poisoned milk and substandard steel, I reckon we don't need cheap Chinese cr.p.
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Well stop buying crap off ebay.

 

[sptrawler]

On a personal note, I think it may not own the World, but it may own W.A.

The Commonwealth has no interest in W.A, other than a cash cow, China may well take a longer term view.IMO

By the time the penny drops, it may well be too late.lol

Not a big voter base here.

 

[SirRumpole]

Industrial unrest and mass unemployment have emerged as the chief threat to Communist Party rule in China, eclipsing separatist movements in remote provinces like Tibet and Xinjiang.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-26/china's-strikes-and-mass-unemployment-a-growing-worry/7649770

 

[SirRumpole]

Morrison would be crazy if he approved this.


http://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...a/news-story/73884b90bd877767985e4f10ac309259

 

[CanOz]

Morrison would be crazy if he approved this.


http://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...a/news-story/73884b90bd877767985e4f10ac309259

I'd rather see it go to Li Ke-ching! than State Grid. After all, what changes does a western company get to take over a Chinese state asset? A snow flakes hope in H.E. Double Hockey Sticks. Eye for an eye....

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Morrison would be crazy if he approved this.


http://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...a/news-story/73884b90bd877767985e4f10ac309259

I think he should instead approve Australia building a US-Aus-Philipino naval base on the Spratly Islands, and just see how they like that. We could just rock up and start claiming it as our own, then defy international law.

The sooner manufacturing becomes decentralized (away from slave labour in china) the better. They are pushy, obtrusive, lawless and offensive, and we don't need them here.