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Re: Brisbane <> Sydney Bullet train

YOUR GETTING AN N.B.N JUST SHUT UP. WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING.:eek::eek::eek:

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU. WHY WON'T YOU SHUT UP AND DO AS YOU ARE TOLD, JEEZ
FOOOOOCCC GOING THERE, LOOK IT UP ON YOU HIGH SPEED CONNECTION. GET WITH IT, YOUR GOING TO PAY FOR IT ANYWAY, YOU MAY AS WELL USE IT.
GOOGLE IT, SAVE A FORTUNE, STREET VIEW. NO HOTEL COSTS. LOL.LOL
 
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Logique said:
Here is the picture from the article referenced in post above. Very groovy way to travel, not a seatbelt or a hand rail in sight, but all the same.

400 km/hr - it'll frighten the living suitcase out of the cows. Like it's not enough they have to deal with UFOs and aliens trying to turn them inside-out.
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How much will a ticket cost if there's that much space between the passengers as indicated in the render ?
 
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sptrawler said:
YOUR GETTING AN N.B.N JUST SHUT UP. WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING.:eek::eek::eek:

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU. WHY WON'T YOU SHUT UP AND DO AS YOU ARE TOLD, JEEZ
FOOOOOCCC GOING THERE, LOOK IT UP ON YOU HIGH SPEED CONNECTION. GET WITH IT, YOUR GOING TO PAY FOR IT ANYWAY, YOU MAY AS WELL USE IT.
GOOGLE IT, SAVE A FORTUNE, STREET VIEW. NO HOTEL COSTS. LOL.LOL
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Thanks for clearing that up for me. :banghead: :D
 
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It's definitley on the Guvmints radar.

The study by the Department of Infrastructure and Transport will draw on international experience, public and private sector expertise, growth forecasts and other contemporary data. The initial focus, to be completed by July 2011, will be to identify requirements for a viable HSR network, including consideration of route and station options and costing.
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http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/rail/trains/high_speed/index.aspx

Moving forward with high speed rail

The Hon Anthony Albanese MP
The Minister for Infrastructure, Transport
Regional Development and Local Government

http://www.anthonyalbanese.com.au/file.php?file=/news/AALFLUGKCFUUYSEEEYTEZGAA/index.html
 
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The Beijing to Shanghai fast speed train covers the 1318km in four and a half hours, a trip that takes six hours door to door by air on a good day.

But the economics of a line that carves through provinces that mint 40% of China's GDP and connects cities of more than 80 million people is vastly different from connecting a few million in Australia.

Besides, Bob Brown's trains would have to stop every time the sun went behind a cloud.

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I used to use the bullet train everyday to get to work in Japan. Cost my company a fortune as it’s about the same price to fly a low cost airline. But as stated the advantage of not having to wait at a check out and having it stop in the middle of a CBD is very time effective. Something you need to bear in mind is the cost, Japans bullet train is built on 5 meter high concrete slabs, this stops people and animals getting onto it but is also stops warping of tracks during earth movement and temperature change. Building such a raised concrete structure from Melbourne to Sydney would make the NBN look like small change.
 
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i love this one!
Naked shorts said:
> Drivers don't need to be paid exhorbant wages, and they don't need to be trained for years before they can take the controls:banghead::banghead::banghead:
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what would be a "reasonable" wage to drive a 500 kmh missile? id want $120,000 take home

how long would you like the driver trained?

who would you want driving this missile? a professional with many years experience or some newb with no experience.
i see it in my industry regulary "here is your b/double licence learn yourself" result plenty are dead.

naked ol mayte you dont want to be scabbing on wages when you are hurtling down the coast at 500kmh...not a newbie job...tb
 
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Today's effort is Melb to Syd but it may as well be stationed with the above.

Transport experts have dismissed the latest plan to build a fast rail system between Melbourne and Sydney as a potential "financial trainwreck" that fails the economics test because of high costs.

The plan from Consolidated Land and Rail Australia would be funded by speculative land deals aimed at turning rural land worth $1.2 billion into residential lots worth $180 billion.

"It appears that this latest fast train proposal is driven by funding opportunities from higher land prices which can be highly speculative and unreliable," said Garry Bowditch, head of the Better Infrastructure Initiative at Sydney University.

Nick Cleary, chairman of Consolidated Land and Rail Australia, the company pushing the $200 billion plan to build eight new "smart cities" along the fast rail route, said it would be funded entirely from land deals and not need public funding.

Mr Cleary said rural land along the route, which runs via Shepparton, Victoria – the first stage – and Gundagai and Goulburn in NSW to Sydney, could be bought for about $1000 per block and sold for about $150,000 a lot.

"That uplift gives you the capacity to fund the rail and civil infrastructure," Mr Cleary, a former dairy farmer and NSW Nationals vice-chairman, told reporters in Melbourne.

"It's a cities and sustainable development plan. It's not a high-speed-rail plan, but high-speed rail is essential."

Consolidated Land and Rail Australia (CLARA) has attracted former NSW premier Barry O'Farrell, former Victorian premier Steve Bracks and former US transport secretary Ray LaHood to its board.

But the company did not release findings of a pre-feasibility study or likely fares, saying this was "commercial in confidence".

Fast rail has foundered on the challenges of funding expensive infrastructure to compete against a highly efficient, privately funded air transport system.

"The airlines will protect their market share aggressively and exercise their ability to price a fair proportion of seats at their marginal costs," Professor Bowditch said.

"This could make a Melbourne-Sydney fast train look more like a financial train wreck very quickly. "

The last federal Labor government costed a Melbourne-Sydney-Brisbane fast rail at $114 billion but federal Major Projects Minister Paul Fletcher told The Australian Financial Review's National Infrastructure Summit last month this was "optimistically low" and the project wasn't a sensible priority.

Transport experts are sceptical of the plan. "You'd have to say it doesn't look like anything more than a property development idea," one expert said.

"It's very hard to see it being at no cost to the government. They [fast rail proposals] have required massive public subsidies and even if they don't, someone has to buy the property."

Brendan Lyon, chief executive of Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, a lobby group, said, "High-speed rail has been on the table many times since the mid-'80s, but has always failed because of high costs and the complexity of getting the long, straight corridors needed for high-speed operations.

"High-speed rail is uniformly popular in the community but the economics make it hard."

Victorian Public Transport Minister Jacinta Allan said she hadn't been briefed on the plan and the government would have to look at it along with others. She said faster rail services had previously led to "a boom" in regional public transport but rail was expensive and financing it was challenging.

The Greens, which took a publicly funded fast rail plan to the election, said a cross-generational project like the fast rail should be built in the nation's interests, "not to suit the profits of private property developers", and be led by federal and state governments.
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http://www.afr.com/business/transpo...st-rail-smart-cities-corridor-20160714-gq5q1w
 
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I have been hearing about these projects for the last 50 years of my life and it isn't going to happen. It's a pity really as we really need it. I do the Sydney to Brisbane run about 10 times a year, we still do not have a dual carriageway all the way up. If it takes them 5 years to build just 30 kilometers of decent road what chance have we got in getting a bullet train?

The 2/3rd s of the road that is finished is good, the rest is one lane each way with heavy traffic and roadworks. There is at least 100 kilometers of roadworks.....speed varies from 40 KPH to 80 KPH and it still takes as long to get to Brissy as it did 30 years ago.

They only just now after 27 years since the Kempsey Bus Crash Disaster opened the dual carriageway to bypass that area. This is what the coroner had to say at the time:

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The coroner (Kevin Waller) endorsed the recommendation he made following the Grafton bus crash two months earlier, that the Pacific Highway be upgraded to dual carriageway between Newcastle and the Queensland border.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kempsey_bus_crash

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Progress in Australian infrastructure is very slow no matter who says, recommends or promises what. 27 years later and still waiting.

A bullet train would definitely be a better way to go but GEEEEEEZ they can't even fix the potholes in our suburbs let alone build a project on such a grand scale. I guess it all comes down to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and the inability of the Governments to get their acts together.
 
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Bill M said:
Progress in Australian infrastructure is very slow no matter who says, recommends or promises what. 27 years later and still waiting.
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In Queensland, the infrastructure builds are mainly in Brisbane while 'country' local governments do what they can with rates monies. The populations are comparatively too small and distant for any infrastructure needs outside Brisbane. :2twocents
 
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